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Why are we writing in English? - gyuujuice - 2010-05-18
Hello everyone, I don't want to be rude, that would be the last thing I would want to o to this community, but I have a question concerning this forum.
Almost all the post are in English. Japanese is rarely used. I understand that there is a huge gap between the levels of students but I think there should be a bit more Japanese such as bilingual forum names and such. Whenever I type in Japanese here I feel slightly awkward, mainly because I am the only one who does so even though there are MANY people more 上手い than I here.
What are your thoughts on this?
(Yes I do realise the irony that my anti-Englush post is in English.)
*hold up flame-sheild*
Why are we writing in English? - nest0r - 2010-05-18
I usually just skip over your Japanese, myself. I'm glad you incorporate the practice, but I don't want to read other learners' Japanese and I'm not really interested in code-switching per comment so much as quickly skimming posts for information (strats, tools) esp. when I'm taking 'breaks' from Japanese. ;p
Why are we writing in English? - gyuujuice - 2010-05-18
Oh so it's difficult to code both Japanese and English? I didn't think of that.
"break"? So it's like AJST (All Japanese Sometimes) I'm just teasing.
Well thank you for your reponse! I won't write my comments in Japanese anymore.
(Except for explanations and such.)
Why are we writing in English? - Ryuujin27 - 2010-05-18
With too many non-natives here and probably very few corrections being thrown around (a probably some false corrections sometimes), it might be more harmful than beneficial. I know people that speak Japanese very fluidly now, but still make mistakes because they practiced often with non-natives who wouldn't correct them (or wouldn't be able to).
So, while a cool idea, I say leave the Japanese writing to lang-8.
Why are we writing in English? - gyuujuice - 2010-05-18
Thank you for comment. That makes a lot of sense. I never thought of the harm... I was just thinking it would be a great way to practice. Thanks for the advice!
Why are we writing in English? - Javizy - 2010-05-18
I've always made an effort to avoid non-native Japanese, and encourage people who ask 'anyone wanna chat on Skype?' to do the same. You'd probably spend at least five times as much time typing a post on here in Japanese, so you're definitely better off using the time for natural exchange with natives through 文字チャット or something.
Why are we writing in English? - gyuujuice - 2010-05-18
Thanks for your comment.
It does take longer to write for most people, but I have written many of the same things in Lang-8 so much that it's become habitual. However reading takes at least 3 times to read as English. Your'e right about might as well using that time with natives.
Why are we writing in English? - nest0r - 2010-05-18
gyuujuice - No, I meant 'code-switching' in the linguistic sense (try Googling it if you are unfamiliar with the term). Loosely. If I'm skimming through English and see a non-native tossing in random words and phrases in Japanese mixed in, to me that's more a bit of gibberish that I would've avoided anyway, so spending even a split second slipping in and out of Japanese for it, I wouldn't want to bother, and especially I wouldn't want to make it a constant thing.
PS - I don't do AJATT. I am a RevTKer. We do what we want.
Why are we writing in English? - yudantaiteki - 2010-05-18
It's kind of a confusing term because the term "code" is being used with a technical linguistic meaning that isn't readily apparent to non-linguists, particularly since "code" is commonly used for many other meanings as well.
Why are we writing in English? - Asriel - 2010-05-18
I just took it to mean something similar to the fact that you can't have Ruby code inside a C application. It wouldn't compile.
Why are we writing in English? - nest0r - 2010-05-18
Nonsense. This is impossible.
Why are we writing in English? - kendo99 - 2010-05-18
lol, I thought most people were familiar with the term "code-switching". Guess I'll be more careful how I use it.
Why are we writing in English? - Tobberoth - 2010-05-18
When I want to communicate in Japanese, I do it with natives or at least people who are fluent. I don't like being exposed to non-native Japanese which tends to be filled with errors, especially not in a conversation format since in my experience, communication is what you imprint the most from. I know for a fact that people who aren't fluent speak unnatural Japanese, I definitely do it myself. When I do it with a japanese person, it's alright because I'm going to automatically mimic them and correct it, but in a conversation with a non-native, that's a big no-no.
Like nest0r, I tend to skip your Japanese posts because of this reason.
Why are we writing in English? - ta12121 - 2010-05-18
Tobberoth Wrote:When I want to communicate in Japanese, I do it with natives or at least people who are fluent. I don't like being exposed to non-native Japanese which tends to be filled with errors, especially not in a conversation format since in my experience, communication is what you imprint the most from. I know for a fact that people who aren't fluent speak unnatural Japanese, I definitely do it myself. When I do it with a japanese person, it's alright because I'm going to automatically mimic them and correct it, but in a conversation with a non-native, that's a big no-no.I agree exactly with Tobberoth.
Like nest0r, I tend to skip your Japanese posts because of this reason.
Why are we writing in English? - gyuujuice - 2010-05-18
And I agree exactly with you.
Thank you everyone for your input. ^__^'
Why are we writing in English? - Sebastian - 2010-05-18
It's so easy to make some people change their minds.
Why are we writing in English? - donjorge22 - 2010-05-18
Also, not everyone here's learning Japanese, too. Incidentally,
Quote:(Yes I do realise the irony that my anti-Englush post is in English.)= "By the way, I'm aware of the irony of appearing on TV in order to decry it. So don't bother pointing that out"?
Why are we writing in English? - gyuujuice - 2010-05-18
Sebastion, that's interesting since your kanji-avatar is "loyalty". ^__^
donjorge22, right but it depends on where you post. I was referring mainly to the Japanese forum. I didn't quite get your second point. I wrote that so no-one would bother writing what you did. I just knew someone would point it out.
Why are we writing in English? - bodhisamaya - 2010-05-18
Concern about others not reading your posts should be no reason not to post in Japanese if it is good practice for you. Generally, I don't read a post over ten sentences long, but it would be silly to suggest a Twitter-style forum. If I wasn't so anal about making mistakes to the point it would take me an hour to write one post, I would type them all in English with the Japanese translation following.
Why are we writing in English? - Tobberoth - 2010-05-18
IceCream Wrote:i disagree. i think every bit of practise you do makes you a little better. i agree that most of the practise you do should be correctable, but you can also see and correct half of your own mistakes (certainly after a while). As long as you have an open mind towards fixing your own mistakes, and you get a ton of natural reading practise, it really shouldn't matter. People should write japanese here if they feel like it, i think. Half the time, there's too much stuff i don't know how to say in japanese right now, but if i've been doing a ton of japanese reading that day, sometimes i feel like it too...I think it's fine to write in Japanese if you want to. I'm just saying I won't read it. I'm not afraid of my own mistakes, I'm afraid of others mistakes.
Why are we writing in English? - caivano - 2010-05-18
If you want to write Japanese go for it. If I see things on here that are wrong it reinforces the fact it's wrong. Sometimes I'm not sure and then I check it. If it's wrong or right, either way I remember.
Why are we writing in English? - nest0r - 2010-05-18
I can think of better things to do with my time than read and correct learner-Japanese. I'd rather stick with my current methods of using Japanese materials, or have some system where I can read and correct learner-English as posted by native/fluent Japanese, and then perhaps in turn they can correct my learner-Japanese, in a location devoted to this exchange. Hmm, that would be amazing! ;p I would call it... Lang-7?
Why are we writing in English? - SammyB - 2010-05-18
gyuujuice Wrote:"break"? So it's like AJST (All Japanese Sometimes)Yes, actually. That's exactly what most of us a doing...
Why are we writing in English? - ta12121 - 2010-05-18
SammyB Wrote:違いよgyuujuice Wrote:"break"? So it's like AJST (All Japanese Sometimes)Yes, actually. That's exactly what most of us a doing...
Why are we writing in English? - TaylorSan - 2010-05-18
nest0r Wrote:I don't do AJATT. I am a RevTKer. We do what we want.Hahaha - I like the cut of your jib!