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Sentence SRS vs Vocab SRS + Reading - ta12121 - 2010-05-24
Sentence SRS vs Vocab SRS + Reading(Do both? more vocab, less sentences and more reading=improvement)
Sentence SRS vs Vocab SRS + Reading - sikieiki - 2010-05-24
After getting through nearly 90% of Core2K, I am putting sentences on standby and doing straight vocab. I know the sentences very well but as soon as you take the vocab out of the sentence, its like I never learned the word.
Therefore, I am trying straight vocab. Without context, the vocab I am learning is easier to notice in a sentence and recognize, especially since I am writing out the vocab now. It seems to be going much slower, and I wonder if I will regret it. I just got plain frustrated seeing something like 結合 in one sentence and recognizing it, but not in a new one.
Sentence SRS vs Vocab SRS + Reading - FooSoft - 2010-05-24
ta12121 Wrote:Sentence SRS vs Vocab SRS + Reading(Do both? more vocab, less sentences and more reading=improvement)Sure, in an ideal world where I have infinite time I'd do everything
I guess the real question is what's the point in drilling the same sentences over and over when you could be spending much more time reading new native material.
Sentence SRS vs Vocab SRS + Reading - ta12121 - 2010-05-24
FooSoft Wrote:I'm finding this exact same thing, the need to read more native material. Like my sentence deck now is like 12,000+. I feel there isn't a need to srs all that much in terms of sentences, just focus on my vocab deck. So once I finish my new cards(there is about 2000 of them) I will stop adding sentence cards for a while and read a heck of a lot. (I'm doing daily is 50 a day of reading/countless immersion)ta12121 Wrote:Sentence SRS vs Vocab SRS + Reading(Do both? more vocab, less sentences and more reading=improvement)Sure, in an ideal world where I have infinite time I'd do everything
Sentence SRS vs Vocab SRS + Reading - Nukemarine - 2010-05-24
sikieiki Wrote:After getting through nearly 90% of Core2K, I am putting sentences on standby and doing straight vocab. I know the sentences very well but as soon as you take the vocab out of the sentence, its like I never learned the word.You notice a weakness in your abilities adapted your method to correct it. Something all of us should be aware to do now and again.
Therefore, I am trying straight vocab. Without context, the vocab I am learning is easier to notice in a sentence and recognize, especially since I am writing out the vocab now. It seems to be going much slower, and I wonder if I will regret it. I just got plain frustrated seeing something like 結合 in one sentence and recognizing it, but not in a new one.
For those that would like to give the above a shot, try it on mature cards first. Create another card model and set it so that it's either Kana to Kanji/Definition or Kanji to Kana/Definition. In your deck, sort by interval and select those over 30 days. Under "actions", select "change model" and switch all selected cards to your new card type. As you review, if you find a card that's impossible to do kana to kanji, switch to a kanji to kana or even back to being a sentence card. Like the system alot? Switch all cards to being single vocab words.
The beauty of changing models is you still keep your scheduling info. Granted, I'm assuming one has a vocabulary deck with multiple fields that makes creating different card models easy to do.
Sentence SRS vs Vocab SRS + Reading - nest0r - 2010-05-24
ta12121 Wrote:Sentence SRS vs Vocab SRS + Reading(Do both? more vocab, less sentences and more reading=improvement)Extensiveness of the SRS vs. print (etc.) exposure, I found, was a pretty organic process that came naturally with self-studying Japanese. It was always a trade-off between finding the best ratio of how much structure and repetition and automated generation of SRSable materials you want versus unstructured inconsistent but 'native' encounters, and continually adjusting that over time--something Nukemarine is also big on ('living' cards but also don't forget attentional control i.e. the user)... (Which is why I see sentence cards as no different from vocabulary cards, just organized more efficiently for different, robust types of approaches to cards as you go along, as they contain more complementary examples of the language that you can control and streamline, and which reflect actual usage structures.)
It's still baffling to me that people can manage to read Japanese and not understand how to avoid one of the cardinal rules of SRSing sentences (the cause of confusion where they differentiate individual word/sentence cards and have difficulty using the words from sentences in new contexts), which is not to memorize the sentence! It's not a single 'thing', it's a brilliant cohesion of language elements that you design/study according to your own needs, from minimally to elaborately complementary.
Sentence SRS vs Vocab SRS + Reading - kazelee - 2010-05-25
nest0r Wrote:@FooSoft - When I know a sentence and its grammar so well it only takes an instant, then, well, I just spend an instant on it.Wait... let me get this straight....
You actually study!?
(@_@)
Sentence SRS vs Vocab SRS + Reading - usis35 - 2010-05-25
Regarding sentence vs vocab SRS:
Why does it have to be one or another?
I think we could SRS in the same deck sentences and simple vocab, depending on the word. When the word is a verb with different meanings or an abstract noun or adjective, we should use sentences. However, when the word is a simple noun, with a clear meaning (like dog, chair, etc), why waste time using a sentence?
Regarding SRS vs reading:
This is more complex. When be are beginners, we get more from SRSing than from reading (frequent interruptions to look up words because of lots of words we don't know, and it is difficult to figure out the context). When we approach fluency, I think we can get more from reading, because of the time it takes to review words/sentences. Reviews always take time, but reading speeds up, and it gets easier to deduce meanings by context. Maybe an easy way to migrate from SRS to reading, is to press more often the "very easy" key in anki. (We should never stop reviewing the personal deck)
Sentence SRS vs Vocab SRS + Reading - rachels - 2010-06-07
Irixmark Wrote:For vocab, it's collocations, as nest0r said. Picked up a neat little bookThis book sounds interesting. Before I think about buying it, can you tell me a little bit more about it? I imagine one could pick up the same information eventully, going thorough textbook dialougues, other sentences and sources etc. How would the book add to that approach?
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_1_16?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=common+japanese+collocations&x=0&y=0&sprefix=common+japanese+
that has a few thousand of those for common situations, and I pick and choose whatever I feel like learning.