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Sentence Technique - sikieiki - 2010-04-11
So I am in the middle of Core2K and progressing just fine but with one issue...
What I am noticing is that after I do a card I can listen or recognize what is being shown from audio or kanji perfectly. However, this is only in the context of that sentence.
For example, if the vocab "設計" from "兄は船の設計をしています。" appears in some random native material, I will absolutely not remember it and think its something I dont know.
It makes it feel like when I get done with Core2K I am going to be really good at those sentences but still have almost the same reading power for native material as I did before I started.
tldr - After 3 months rtk and 3 months Core2K I feel as if I have made no progress.
Sentence Technique - ta12121 - 2010-04-11
3 months of actually sentences, you won't really feel a MAJOR improvement. It seriously takes time+immersion. I used to be all about putting a lot of sentences into my SRS deck. But after a while I toned it down. So it went back to going small and increasing in small increments. Till eventually now I do 50-100 daily(vocab), sentence deck varies from 30-70 daily.
For me it's been 7.7 months of sentences+3 months of kanji. So that's 10.7 months in total. At my current level I pretty much understand almost everything I hear, with the exception of some news/novels/music. Music with lyrics I can understand it, but some news terms are still a bit weird to understand. Drama's are good. I'm around 85-90% for 2042 joyo kanji in terms of reading. So that's around 1800-1900 readings(I think). It just takes time man. For each sentence you add, I recommended breaking the words down you don't know and write almost all the sentences you have(Don't have to write all, but at least write the ones that are giving you trouble. It will help you get a flow for writing kanji with ease)
I'd say give it time and excessive immersion(some people see this as ineffective, but at least some immersion would be good)
The reason why you're not feeling a major improvement is because it's early. If you want to get good at reading, you need to break the kanji barrier. It's around 1200 kanji readings or so(As to where i got this number, a lot of people on this forum said something about that) Basically it's when you don't fear kanji but you enjoy it and can learn a lot more japanese.
Sentence Technique - Fuamnach - 2010-04-11
I've just written about more or less the exact same problem
just letting you know there's someone in the same boat. Was thinking about going vocab only to try and rectify this as I noticed I remember things better from my vocab deck.Okay, I'll go now otherwise I'll hijack your thread ^_^
Sentence Technique - ta12121 - 2010-04-11
Fuamnach Wrote:I've just written about more or less the exact same problemVocab deck works well. But only after you've gained a good grasp on grammar.
Okay, I'll go now otherwise I'll hijack your thread ^_^
Sentence Technique - pm215 - 2010-04-11
Even if you don't recognise the word in random text, hopefully when you look it up the answer fairly often provokes an "oh, I should have known that" kind of reaction; I think that that then acts as a reinforcement and your grasp of the word gets a bit more solid. And because you're starting with something you already almost-know this works much better than for words you really didn't know.
I disagree with ta12121 about worrying at all about individual kanji readings, but I'm sure that you can find stuff in the forum archive on that topic so won't go into detail.
I've never felt kanji were scary, incidentally, even when I only knew about five of them. Awkward, challenging, confusing, interesting, just another thing to deal with, yes -- but not scary...
Sentence Technique - ta12121 - 2010-04-11
pm215 Wrote:Even if you don't recognise the word in random text, hopefully when you look it up the answer fairly often provokes an "oh, I should have known that" kind of reaction; I think that that then acts as a reinforcement and your grasp of the word gets a bit more solid. And because you're starting with something you already almost-know this works much better than for words you really didn't know.Some people find it scary in the beginning. It's just b/c of the sheer amount of kanji one needs to know to be fluent in Japanese. I didn't really find it scary but in the beginning it's frustrating to people(I got frustrated as well in the beginning for not knowing enough kanji).
I disagree with ta12121 about worrying at all about individual kanji readings, but I'm sure that you can find stuff in the forum archive on that topic so won't go into detail.
I've never felt kanji were scary, incidentally, even when I only knew about five of them. Awkward, challenging, confusing, interesting, just another thing to deal with, yes -- but not scary...
Initially when people see the japanese language or chinese. They do get scared from all those characters. It's just because they don't understand how it's not even hard for anyone to learn all those characters, it just takes time and a good system.
Initially everyone will find it hard not really scary but some people do find it scary.
Some of my friends are surprised that I know a lot of japanese. But anyone can do this, anyone can learn japanese and kanji. Even my gf is surprised at how much I've learned so far in japanese. But i'm not really suprised at myself, all I did was, keep going, keep srsing, keep immersing and everything came together.