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2010 JLPT study thread - bennyb - 2010-07-06
thurd Wrote:I average 100-130 reviews. If I added 100 every day it wouldn't be sustainable haha... my deck has over 3000 (been working on it over a year now). It's grinding but effective!bennyb Wrote:my strategy: 100+ vocab cards a day (Adding new ones all the time), 30-40 RTK reviews a day, reading lots of manga and newspaper articles and stuff. Also taking classes twice a week and doing the necessary boring grammar study.Are you adding 100+ words a day or is this just the number of reviews?
Your plan looks very similar to what I intend to do after finishing minimal vocabulary and your success gives me hope that my results from December will also be positive.
2010 JLPT study thread - gyuujuice - 2010-07-15
I'm having such a hard time with JLPT2 grammar. I have the 完全マスター series but it would help to have English translation for the example sentences. >..<
Any advice or materials for grammar?
2010 JLPT study thread - dizmox - 2010-07-15
Get the 総まとめ series instead? They have translations; I went through the N1 book and it seemed fine.
Hmm, this year I'll mostly be applying to british companies for internships since my Japanese isn't really up to scratch for the Boston career forum yet, but I'll probably go next year. I need to decide whether to do the JLPT1 and risk the chance of failing or do the JLPT2 for a definite plus to my CV for when I apply to stuff next year... and I probably won't have time free to fly to Japan to take JLPT1 next Summer before 就職活動. :/
2010 JLPT study thread - vileru - 2010-07-15
dizmox Wrote:I need to decide whether to do the JLPT1 and risk the chance of failing or do the JLPT2 for a definite plus to my CV for when I apply to stuff next year... and I probably won't have time free to fly to Japan to take JLPT1 next Summer before 就職活動. :/Go for it. If you set your goal as JLPT1, then you'll be motivated to study harder, especially since your career is on the line. Imagine how your resume will look at the career forum with JLPT1 certification rather than JLPT2. Take the risk, reap the reward.
2010 JLPT study thread - pm215 - 2010-07-16
gyuujuice Wrote:I'm having such a hard time with JLPT2 grammar. I have the 完全マスター series but it would help to have English translation for the example sentences. >..<I think 完全マスター is useful for revision and drills but not much good for initial learning of grammar. The Dictionary of Basic/Intermediate/Advanced Japanese Grammar series is good where you want detailed explanations of the complicated stuff, although it doesn't cover all the 'simple' stuff. 日本語文型辞典 only has explanations in Japanese but they're much better than KM's one-liners.
Any advice or materials for grammar?
2010 JLPT study thread - thurd - 2010-07-26
Today I did both vocabulary and listening of JLPT3 practice test and it was bad. I think I did well on vocabulary but unfortunately I was helpless during listening.
Worst part of it is that its really really stupid, they don't just check your comprehension skills but also math, memory, quick writing and attention to detail. Seems like questions and dialogs were designed by some sadomasochistic game show writer. Pace, topics, vocabulary (mostly) wasn't that difficult but too many nuances make it ridiculously hard. Any tips or methods on how to approach this?
I've only 5 months left and I'm failing lvl 3, that must be bad
My only hope is that I will get tremendously better once I start "normal" (not vocab/srs oriented) study.
2010 JLPT study thread - pm215 - 2010-07-26
They're trying to make sure you can't answer the questions just by picking out a few words from the dialogue, which is why you get those weirdly twisted conversations. So practice of past questions helps a bit so you know what they tend to do. For the rest, just general practice of listening, I guess. It's noticeable that the pass rates for the listening section have tended to be much higher for the in-Japan test takers than for those outside the country, which is probably because people in Japan just get a lot more practice at listening comprehension in day to day life. So if you've mostly been SRSing vocabulary you're probably a bit short in that department.
Disclaimer: I don't know whether the listening section will have changed format much in the 2010-onward JLPT revamp.
2010 JLPT study thread - dizmox - 2010-07-27
vileru Wrote:Yeah, I will, thanks for the motivation. At least the extra difficulty in practicing would make interviews easier, if nothing else.dizmox Wrote:I need to decide whether to do the JLPT1 and risk the chance of failing or do the JLPT2 for a definite plus to my CV for when I apply to stuff next year... and I probably won't have time free to fly to Japan to take JLPT1 next Summer before 就職活動. :/Go for it. If you set your goal as JLPT1, then you'll be motivated to study harder, especially since your career is on the line. Imagine how your resume will look at the career forum with JLPT1 certification rather than JLPT2. Take the risk, reap the reward.
2010 JLPT study thread - xeno_panda - 2010-08-03
Hi everyone, I just decided to try for JLPT 1 this December and I'm nowhere near ready for it (yet). I just want to run my study method by the forum and see if I'm doing anything wrong.
I know all the kanji already, though my vocab is still a little under 10,000 so I'm mining words from past JLPTs. I know that's not the best method, but it's also helping me get used to the test format. For grammar, I'm using renshuu.org and focusing on level 1's points, since I'm guessing the test'll focus on those and not other levels. And for listening, I have podcasts, some variety shows, and the Shiken ni Deru listening book/CDs.
2010 JLPT study thread - pm215 - 2010-08-03
That list of activities seems to be missing anything targeting the reading comprehension parts of the test...
2010 JLPT study thread - xeno_panda - 2010-08-03
*facepalm*
I read mainly articles on Yomiuri and blogs, which is also how I usually mine vocab/grammar, though I haven't done anything like comprehension exercises yet. I've been studying on my own, and made the decision to do JLPT1 only a few days ago, which is why I'm pretty lost.
2010 JLPT study thread - thurd - 2010-08-03
thurd Wrote:Today I did both vocabulary and listening of JLPT3 practice test and it was bad. I think I did well on vocabulary but unfortunately I was helpless during listening.A short update. I managed to pass this practice test thanks to a strong vocabulary score, average grammar and despite abysmal listening (test was from 2007). So I'm much more confident now about my chances in December, even though this time all sections will have a minimum passing grade.
Worst part of it is that its really really stupid, they don't just check your comprehension skills but also math, memory, quick writing and attention to detail. Seems like questions and dialogs were designed by some sadomasochistic game show writer. Pace, topics, vocabulary (mostly) wasn't that difficult but too many nuances make it ridiculously hard. Any tips or methods on how to approach this?
I've only 5 months left and I'm failing lvl 3, that must be bad
2010 JLPT study thread - Green_Airplane - 2010-08-08
Hello,
I'm sorry if I'm asking for something that was already provided here. I gave up on reading this entire thread somewhere halfway through page 2.
I plan to take N3 this December. I just finished RtK3 (just the first part, not the readings) and am about to start massive N3 learning efforts.
I was wondering, are there any vocab lists and kanji lists for N3? What I need to do is take these lists, start going through them, while stuffing the new words into anki or similar software for review. The problem is, all the list I come across are naturally for the old JLPT level 3. I've heard N3 is supposed to be harder than the old level 3, so it is safe to assume that there will be more vocab&kanji.
Do you know of any such list? Has anything like that been made for N3 yet?
To be specific, I need a list of all required kanji with all required readings and compounds, and a list of required vocabulary with kanji, reading in kana and English meaning. I suppose these two would paritally overlap. I'd prefer some format that could be imported (or at least copypasted) into anki (so no PDFs) and sample sentences would be the absolute best.
I hope there is something like what I described (there should be, there must be thousands of people preparing for the N3) Alternate plan is to simply start learning the old level 2 lists. But I don't really feel like doing that...
Thanks in advance.
2010 JLPT study thread - Raschaverak - 2010-08-08
vileru Wrote:Good advice. But please promise that you'll never trade stocksdizmox Wrote:I need to decide whether to do the JLPT1 and risk the chance of failing or do the JLPT2 for a definite plus to my CV for when I apply to stuff next year... and I probably won't have time free to fly to Japan to take JLPT1 next Summer before 就職活動. :/Go for it. If you set your goal as JLPT1, then you'll be motivated to study harder, especially since your career is on the line. Imagine how your resume will look at the career forum with JLPT1 certification rather than JLPT2. Take the risk, reap the reward.
Anyway, I would try both JLPT 1 and 2. I don't know if you are allowed to do that,
but putting unneccessary pressure on yourself, is never motivating.....motivation and pressure are 2 veeeery different things, believe me. Why risk anything when you can secure yourself with that? Apply for both tests, and if you fail JLPT 1, you'll still probably have the JLPT 2.....provided that you can apply for different levels at the same time
2010 JLPT study thread - rich_f - 2010-08-08
Nope, you can't do that. One test at a time, which is the core of dizmox's dilemma.
All of the tests are given at the same time, on the same day.
The problem with "going for it" is that if you fail, you wind up with no proof at all of your efforts or ability. That's one of the main reasons I think the current JLPT regime is stupid. (But I'm signing up for it anyway, because it's the only thing offered where I am.)
It would make more sense to score you on a scale where the questions just get increasingly harder and harder, to show someone where your ability lies on a range.
That way you'd only have to write one test instead of 5, too, and one set of books instead of 5 as well. But I guess people wouldn't have that "I'm a winner" feeling from passing level N5 or old level 4... which really doesn't mean anything at all, other than you cracked the book and paid attention for a month or two.
On another note-- I can't seem to download the N2 test from the links on that Chinese site. Do you have to register with the site in order to get the links to show up?
2010 JLPT study thread - pm215 - 2010-08-08
rich_f Wrote:It would make more sense to score you on a scale where the questions just get increasingly harder and harder, to show someone where your ability lies on a range. That way you'd only have to write one test instead of 5The trouble with that is that the higher level candidates would have to spend time ploughing through all the earlier material first, so either you make the exam incredibly long or you spend less time actually testing the material you're interested in at higher levels.
You could probably do something where you split the test into multiple overlapping sets of papers, so the 'low' paper would get you an N5 or N4 depending on your score, the 'medium' N4/N3/N2 and the 'high' N2/N1, though.
2010 JLPT study thread - ocircle - 2010-08-08
You could technically try your hand at JLPT 1 and 2, but it would involve taking the first test in Japan, China, or Korea, and then flying on a jet plane to California to try again at the test. You'd have to preregister for both sites.
Honestly with all that money you'd spend on traveling you might as well fly to Japan and stay there for a few weeks. :p
2010 JLPT study thread - Green_Airplane - 2010-08-08
so nobody has what I need? Or even close?
2010 JLPT study thread - Raschaverak - 2010-08-08
ocircle Wrote:You could technically try your hand at JLPT 1 and 2, but it would involve taking the first test in Japan, China, or Korea, and then flying on a jet plane to California to try again at the test. You'd have to preregister for both sites.No, wait, so in one country the JLPT (provided that the country is within the same timezone) is held at every location (provided there's more than one within the country) exactly the same time? Wow, now that's what I call well organized
Honestly with all that money you'd spend on traveling you might as well fly to Japan and stay there for a few weeks. :p
But if there's a small delay between, like a couple of hours, you coud make it taking the test in the first location then travelling to the other (by train, or something, which is relatively cheap - by the way as far as I know intercountry flights (3rd class) ARE cheaper than train for example, but I could be wrong about that).
I really don't understand their thinking, this way you would pay twice or multiple times as much for the exam, If you were allowed to take it on different levels...hmmmm, or maybe I don't get the whole picture....yet
2010 JLPT study thread - pm215 - 2010-08-08
Green_Airplane Wrote:so nobody has what I need? Or even close?So with the change of format the JLPT organisers have stopped providing vocabulary lists (I think as a policy thing, to try to dissuade people from simply cramming a specific list of vocab and to let themselves have more freedom in what they use if they think it's at the right level). So there isn't ever going to be an official list. However this website has a number of lists from various people who've been making guesses. Mostly this seems to be "take the vocab for old levels 2/3/4, sort by frequency and pick the N most common" where N is about the right size for N3. That's probably about as good as you're going to get, and it's probably good enough (especially since it's actually possible to do reasonably well at JLPT without knowing all the vocab, although that's probably less true now they've put in the minimum per-section requirements...)
2010 JLPT study thread - pm215 - 2010-08-08
Raschaverak Wrote:No, wait, so in one country the JLPT (provided that the country is within the same timezone) is held at every location (provided there's more than one within the country) exactly the same time? Wow, now that's what I call well organizedEr, that's fairly standard for most exams, I would have thought (for instance UK school exams work like this). It doesn't exactly take much effort for the exam board to print "it will start at 9am" on the material handed out to test centres, and it avoids problems with communication between people whose tests start at different times. (Or at least it does until you get to the point of having an exam taken all over the world and easy communication via the internet. Oh well.)
2010 JLPT study thread - zigmonty - 2010-08-08
Green_Airplane Wrote:so nobody has what I need? Or even close?Sorry, can't really help. The lack of study material for N3 is most of the reason i've decided to stretch and go for N2. At least there's a wealth of material for that level. Although, i am worried that the new N2 is the old JLPT2 minus all the N3 material, ie significantly harder. Can anyone who did the July test reassure me?
Oh, i did get these two books which claim to target N3 as part of my N2 study:
http://shop.alc.co.jp/spg/v/-/-/-/7010039/
http://shop.alc.co.jp/spg/v/-/-/-/7010046/
Imho, the grammar books of this series are better than the Kanzen master ones (i've got the green JLPT2 one). Subjective, but the example sentences have way less obscure vocab in them (which some may consider a con) and generally help you understand the point rather than just test your knowledge of it. Plus, there's audio of 1 sentence for each point.
2010 JLPT study thread - Green_Airplane - 2010-08-09
thank you both. I'll go through the materials and start studying. I have about a month until the registration deadline. By then I should know whether I can make it or not.
2010 JLPT study thread - rich_f - 2010-08-09
@zigmonty
How much trouble are you having with the KM2 grammar sentence vocab? Because you might want to bolster your vocab if you're not getting a lot of it.
2010 JLPT study thread - ocircle - 2010-08-09
Green_Airplane Wrote:thank you both. I'll go through the materials and start studying. I have about a month until the registration deadline. By then I should know whether I can make it or not.sometimes seats fill up faster than the deadline date.