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2010 JLPT study thread - Jarvik7 - 2010-07-04
I believe the minimum score for each section is 20%, but I may be confusing it with JTEST.
2010 JLPT study thread - Grinkers - 2010-07-04
There was 4 (and sometimes 3) possible questions. So 20% seems pretty low.
2010 JLPT study thread - pm215 - 2010-07-04
Yeah, you'd have to be doing worse than random guessing to manage 20%!
2010 JLPT study thread - Evil_Dragon - 2010-07-04
20%? Might as well leave it at 0.
2010 JLPT study thread - Istvan - 2010-07-04
pm215 Wrote:I think the interesting question is where they set the per-section minimum requirement. (The guide to the new format that they published said "we'll announce this later" but I couldn't find an actual figure for it...) Anyway, assuming an overall pass requirement of 70%, if the per-section minimum is 50% that's no harder than old JLPT; 60% would make it slightly harder, and if the per-section minimum is 70% it would be seriously harder than the old test.I emailed them about that and they said that as they are using a scaled scoring system they cannot announced the required passing score for each level before the test. It will be provided with the test scores.
Anyhow, did the N2 toady and found the combined reading, vocal and grammar to be pretty tough. not enough time for the reading as per usual.
2010 JLPT study thread - osakajin - 2010-07-04
Does anyone know where they get the reading passages from? I'm not really looking for exam text books, just the kind of places they come from. I'd like to read articles like that for fun and also practice, so any ideas would be great?
2010 JLPT study thread - pm215 - 2010-07-04
osakajin Wrote:Does anyone know where they get the reading passages from? I'm not really looking for exam text books, just the kind of places they come from. I'd like to read articles like that for fun and also practice, so any ideas would be great?If you look at past papers, they give the sources for the reading passages at the bottom of the passage. So for instance the 2007 JLPT1 has a column from the Sankei Shimbun, an extract from this book, and one from this one, and I'd guess the others are similar. So newspaper editorials and extracts from that sort of non-fiction, really. (I don't know whether the new format has added anything to that mix or not.)
(Evangelo posted a helpful set of links to online newspaper editorials, which is probably the simplest source of practice material.
2010 JLPT study thread - esgrove - 2010-07-04
ーI took N1. I can remember that the answer to the first question is: 繁盛 はんじょう
Which I got wrong. Damn.
ーI think the listening section was easier because it was entirely focused on realistic conversation, which I inadvertently practice every day living in Japan.
ーThe essay about the internet was a little tricky for me too. I think I chose the answer about the internet connecting people blah blah blah, and not the stuff about anonymity or crime.
ーEasiest 文字 question: 壊される
2010 JLPT study thread - kimagure - 2010-07-04
Grinkers Wrote:Did the test seem really short to anybody else who took N1? I finished around 20-30 minutes early. I think because I didn't have a watch, so I wasn't able to pace myself at all.I took 2k last December and I did not manage to read some of the text on time, but today on N1 I had no trouble at all with the time, I even re-read two short ones that I didn't get on the first reading and still had around 10 minutes left.
Grammar kinda surprised me - I went through both 500 Japanese expressions and Kanzen master 1k (the revised version) and the questions seemed much more complicated to me. It felt as if they took some basic grammar points and combined them into very long expressions.
esgrove Wrote:-Easiest 文字 question: 壊されるI almost laughed at 契約.
2010 JLPT study thread - trusmis - 2010-07-04
I guess we all have different backgrounds.
I took N1
It is mostly unchanged from the previous JLPT.
I found the listening very easy to the point of being almost laughable. The only difficulty was section 4, questions are just one sentence so no context to help.
Reading was ok, I'd say more or less same level than before but personally the new format gave me the impression of get less time in general for the reading.
Or maybe it is because grammar and vocabulary looked so difficult to me. And I spend too much time on that.
Also I would have swear they would give a 5 minutes call before the end of the test that they didn't so when they call for finish writing I still had some answers not yet copied to my answering sheet. Crap.
2010 JLPT study thread - bennyb - 2010-07-04
esgrove Wrote:ーEasiest 文字 question: 壊されるSERIOUSLY? I knew I should have taken N1 already. WOW. I wanted to try the N2 since I only passed the old 2 by a small margin last year
sounds like I would have ACED the kanji section though.
2010 JLPT study thread - trusmis - 2010-07-04
bennyb Wrote:That was the easiest, but I found it pretty hard in general...esgrove Wrote:ーEasiest 文字 question: 壊されるSERIOUSLY? I knew I should have taken N1 already. WOW. I wanted to try the N2 since I only passed the old 2 by a small margin last year
sounds like I would have ACED the kanji section though.
2010 JLPT study thread - Tzadeck - 2010-07-04
I took N2. I thought that the long reading section was very easy! I had much more trouble with the grammar/moji section. I'm pretty lazy with my SRS, but I do a lot of reading, and I guess that's reflected in how I felt about those sections.
The listening section was a lot harder than the old test... but still way easier than the rest of the test. I also think it reflects actual listening ability much better than the old test.
I think I may have actually passed this time, after my fail in December. I have no idea, I'm too lazy to do practice tests so it's hard to guage. I think I'll beat 60% overall, but I wonder if one of my section scores will be too low.
2010 JLPT study thread - Katsuo - 2010-07-04
N1 answers according to somebody, and many other related things too if you can navigate this Chinese site.
2010 JLPT study thread - pm215 - 2010-07-05
kimagure Wrote:Grammar kinda surprised me - I went through both 500 Japanese expressions and Kanzen master 1k (the revised version) and the questions seemed much more complicated to me. It felt as if they took some basic grammar points and combined them into very long expressions.If that's deliberate on the question-setters' part, I'm guessing that's a better reflection of real-world complicated grammar than simple tests of obscure grammar points...
2010 JLPT study thread - DavidZ - 2010-07-05
pm215 Wrote:Yes, I'm also wondering about this. In a way it's good if it makes for a more realistic test of Japanese.... but then how do we prepare for it?kimagure Wrote:Grammar kinda surprised me - I went through both 500 Japanese expressions and Kanzen master 1k (the revised version) and the questions seemed much more complicated to me. It felt as if they took some basic grammar points and combined them into very long expressions.If that's deliberate on the question-setters' part, I'm guessing that's a better reflection of real-world complicated grammar than simple tests of obscure grammar points...
If it's not going to be helpful to study the points in Kanzen Master Grammar, then I'm afraid the recommendation for what is effective preparation will become simply "Read a lot." Good advice, but difficult to focus your studies and be sure you're covering everything.
Very concerned about this since I was planning to put a lot of time into Kanzen Master over the next six months to prep for the December N1 exam. It looks like that might be a waste of time. Any suggestions?
2010 JLPT study thread - kimagure - 2010-07-05
DavidZ Wrote:If it's not going to be helpful to study the points in Kanzen Master Grammar, then I'm afraid the recommendation for what is effective preparation will become simply "Read a lot." Good advice, but difficult to focus your studies and be sure you're covering everything.Perhaps I wasn't clear. Going through a grammar book helped a lot, since the grammar points were used in the reading part. I felt that to answer the grammar questions one had to have a certain knowledge of grammar AND to apply some simple reasoning (however maybe just broader knowledge would suffice) as opposed to last year's 2k, when the grammar questions were no-brainers.
Very concerned about this since I was planning to put a lot of time into Kanzen Master over the next six months to prep for the December N1 exam. It looks like that might be a waste of time. Any suggestions?
I wouldn't call KM "a waste of time", as many of the grammar points in KM1 appear in daily Japanese. Just less frequently than the KM2 points.
2010 JLPT study thread - Jarvik7 - 2010-07-05
KM isn't a waste of time. It is, however, mindnumbingly boring.
Anyone want to buy my mint set of KM1&2 books?
2010 JLPT study thread - usis35 - 2010-07-05
Jarvik7 Wrote:KM isn't a waste of time. It is, however, mindnumbingly boring.Jarvik, you really never need to go over some points of grammar again? I try to keep all the textbooks and grammar books that I've used, for future reference or reviews.
Anyone want to buy my mint set of KM1&2 books?
2010 JLPT study thread - smithem - 2010-07-05
Did anyone find the question set online? My chinese skills are lacking, that is to say, non-existant...
2010 JLPT study thread - Katsuo - 2010-07-05
smithem Wrote:Did anyone find the question set online? My chinese skills are lacking, that is to say, non-existant...Same here, so I can't guarantee this is the right stuff. Most links below are for N1. There are a few bits missing...
Most of the test (but not good quality)
N1 1 - 45
N1 46 - 65
(66 - 71??)
listening pt 1
listening pt 2
Part of the test (better quality) (Edit: some broken links below, click here instead.)
Main links page N1, N2, N3
N1 1 - 25
N1 26 - 45
N1 46
(47 - 71??)
Listening transcription
Answers
N1 answers
2010 JLPT study thread - DavidZ - 2010-07-05
kimagure Wrote:Perhaps I wasn't clear. Going through a grammar book helped a lot, since the grammar points were used in the reading part. I felt that to answer the grammar questions one had to have a certain knowledge of grammar AND to apply some simple reasoning (however maybe just broader knowledge would suffice) as opposed to last year's 2k, when the grammar questions were no-brainers.
I wouldn't call KM "a waste of time", as many of the grammar points in KM1 appear in daily Japanese. Just less frequently than the KM2 points.
Jarvik7 Wrote:KM isn't a waste of time. It is, however, mindnumbingly boring.Thanks, guess I'll continue with KM1. I can take boring, as long as it helps me pass the exam.
2010 JLPT study thread - smithem - 2010-07-06
Thanks for the links. From what I can remember answering, I got a 微妙 66% on the non-listening parts. If I forgot my answer, I marked it as wrong. I also understand that some questions are always marked heavier than others, but, well, it was the best I could guess at.
I think I did well on the listening (but so did most on these boards...), so as long as the per-part passing grade is under 60%....
2010 JLPT study thread - bennyb - 2010-07-06
KM is boring but rocks my socks in being comprehensive. I mean.... show me a grammar book that's exciting?? I got another one my teacher recommended, brand-spankin new, N２文法総まとめ if memory serves. It's from the ASK series, which I used for the old2 and quite liked. There's also lots of fun pictures of cats.... does that raise the excitement bar? lol
and since everyone's talkin about how they did... my experience with N2: I think I passed. (passed old 2 by the skin of my teeth last December... much more confident now) Definitely prefer the new test format for numerous reasons, besides the fact it tests Japanese knowledge more effectively, by combining vocab grammar and reading, I could breeze through the first 2 (though the vocab was DEFINITELY tougher this year), and actually read the articles AT MY LEISURE with lots of time to relax and look at each question in a calm and cohesive manner. Definitely lots of tricky ones but I feel GREAT about the reading section, no annoying charts or graphs this year either, all life-style/experience/sociological articles from what I remember. I enjoyed reading them, esp. the article comparing interjecting into conversations to car crashes. I couldn't help snickering. In the end I had 5 minutes to spare even! Big change from last year.
my strategy: 100+ vocab cards a day (Adding new ones all the time), 30-40 RTK reviews a day, reading lots of manga and newspaper articles and stuff. Also taking classes twice a week and doing the necessary boring grammar study.
2010 JLPT study thread - thurd - 2010-07-06
bennyb Wrote:my strategy: 100+ vocab cards a day (Adding new ones all the time), 30-40 RTK reviews a day, reading lots of manga and newspaper articles and stuff. Also taking classes twice a week and doing the necessary boring grammar study.Are you adding 100+ words a day or is this just the number of reviews?
Your plan looks very similar to what I intend to do after finishing minimal vocabulary and your success gives me hope that my results from December will also be positive.