sikieiki Wrote:Noticed something which I believe to be a bug.
If you highlight a word in certain conjugations it is recognized by the english dictionary but not sanseido. Copying it with C will produce the unconjugated form from the english dictionary with definition, which sanseido will then recognize once pasted somewhere.

Not sure how the dictionary lookups are performed, so perhaps it is impossible, but perhaps a cross reference can be performed on the english dictionary to search again with sanseido if the first sanseido lookup fails to produce anything? Something like a hybrid dictionary?

Example :
こき下ろされた

Fangio Wrote:If there is a new version on the way, I would really support including support for pitch accent, as already suggested (there are still so few materials to work on pitch accents!).

cb4960 Wrote:I have just uploaded version 16.0 of the Rikaisama Firefox extension.

Download version 16.0 via SourceForge

What's New?

● Merged code with rikaichan 2.07 baseline.

● Implemented a fallback mechanism for Sanseido mode. (Thanks sikieiki!).
1) First the kanji form of the word is searched (example: こき下ろす)
2) If the kanji form is not found, search for the kana form (example: こきおろす)
3) If all else fails, display the default non-Sanseido definition.

● Fixed display of definition numbers and sub-definition numbers in Sanseido mode. Also, sub-definition numbers are now circled.

cb4960

sikieiki Wrote:Thank you for the update. The sanseido lookup seems to work as expected now. I noticed the voice lookup still has the old problem though.

cb4960 Wrote:

Fangio Wrote:If there is a new version on the way, I would really support including support for pitch accent, as already suggested (there are still so few materials to work on pitch accents!).

Can you explain how pitch accents are traditionally presented to the user and also point me to a resource that I can use to extract them?

Quote:Here's a lot of input about pitch accent and how it was implemented (in the case of spreadsheets): http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=9437
Also an Anki plugin (unfortunately not yet translated to Anki 2.0): http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?pid=167578#pid167578

Both use Japanese-only online dictionaries, which use the common numbering system (no. of the "accented" mora, i.e. the mora with a falling pitch). A great (but probably somewhat complex) option (in addition rather than alternative) is the representation used here: http://accent.u-biq.org/english.html

cb4960 Wrote:Perhaps I could be a little less fancy and use underlined/bold/colored text for mora with high pitch.

toshiromiballza Wrote:

cb4960 Wrote:Perhaps I could be a little less fancy and use underlined/bold/colored text for mora with high pitch.

But how would words with two (or more?) possible accents be treated? Some are marked as 01, etc.

HelenF Wrote:Thanks for the pitch database. People have been trying to make that for ages using website-scraping tools. Looks like you've found a much more effective solution.

cb4960 Wrote:

toshiromiballza Wrote:

cb4960 Wrote:Perhaps I could be a little less fancy and use underlined/bold/colored text for mora with high pitch.

But how would words with two (or more?) possible accents be treated? Some are marked as 01, etc.

Very good point. Until somebody can think of something more clever, I'll just append 01 or [0][1] and forgo the fancy visualization.

Quote:飛車

Sub-definition 1

ひしゃ\ - ひ\しゃ

Sub-definition 2

ひしゃ￣

Sebastian Wrote:You could just write the reading several times to cover the different accents.

cb4960 Wrote:I have just uploaded version 17.0 of the Rikaisama Firefox extension.

Download version 17.0 via SourceForge

What's New?

● Added pitch accent information to the right of the reading if available. (Thanks Fangio!).

toshiromiballza Wrote:

Sebastian Wrote:You could just write the reading several times to cover the different accents.

I think that's a bad idea. It would create too much unnecessary clutter.

sikieiki Wrote:Would it be possible to get a key to copy the highlighted word? You can now use C to copy, but it copies the definition as well. Can you make alt + C copy the highlighted word/phrase only? Sometimes there is no definition and you want to search manually. Of course, you can do this with right clicking and using "Search google for XXX" to get the same effect, but it might be useful to get just the word in the clipboard by itself.

sikieiki Wrote:Additionally, I was wondering if there is any plans to support firefox on android? It looks like android on firefox supports addons but I dont know how much of a change it would be to make it work.

toshiromiballza Wrote:How is it that some words are missing the accent? Are they not in Daijirin?

伸ばす or 並べる for example.

cb4960 Wrote:I believe that I have found the bug in EBライブラリ. It appears that for Daijirin, it is incorrectly converting the voiced consonants of the JIS 0208 form of the word to their non-voiced equivalents (ie. ば -> は). Bypassing that particular conversion routine (eb_convert_voiced_consonants_jis) seems to fix the problem for my test words (伸ばす, 並べる, 黄ばむ). More testing is needed though.

toshiromiballza Wrote:What about 表れる, 賜る or 行う. No voiced consonants.

toshiromiballza Wrote:Also, what are the accents marked with a hyphen between them? [1]-[1], [0]-[0], [1]-[0], [1][1]-[0], etc.