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Failing Kanji & "Related" Kanji's? - pharaun - 2010-03-17
One thing that I was wondering about on how to grade myself has to do with this.
Let's say I failed to recognize "cow" -> 牛 for example, so I then choice "fail" then the next card is like 犒 for example (I picked it out randomly) But anyway it has "牛" as a primitive and due to me "seeing" the 牛 from the failed card previously I was able to complete 犒. So that leads me to the question of how to grade it? In other word if I didn't fail/see the 牛 kanji first I would've had failed 犒.
Failing Kanji & "Related" Kanji's? - Koos83 - 2010-03-17
Are you sure you would have failed?
Anyway, I usually do mark those as 'Pass'. The cards will come up again soon enough, especially in the beginning, and then they will not come together so it's a new test of how well you know it.
It could have been the other way around too. 犒 could have come up first and you'd have failed it, but passed 牛 because it came up next.
Really; they will come by so much more, it's definitely ok to click 'pass'.
Failing Kanji & "Related" Kanji's? - thurd - 2010-03-17
Don't be afraid of overestimating yourself, the card will return soon enough. Use "Easy" button often and free more of your time to either study more kanji or Japanese. You're going for long term recollection and there is no better way to test and train your memory than trying to remember a "fresh" kanji after a week
I was very strict when grading myself for a long time, thinking it would help me learn better, it didn't. I just ended being overworked, doing the same (huge amounts!) kanji all the time and not helping my long term memory at all. Don't make the same mistake.
Failing Kanji & "Related" Kanji's? - nest0r - 2010-03-17
I have struggled with this too, but the way I seem to do it is that I fail the card if I feel I used the Question side information of the failed card. ;p If I'm not sure or used the Answer, I go ahead and fail on principle. These days it's because there's more information per card and I've got my own ideas about how to use scheduling, failing in layers/the # of fail points (i+x rather than i+1), etc.
In the past I would have passed it regardless but would have spent a bit of time philosophizing about how I passed one card with a failed card.
The way I look at it is, you're using your knowledge regardless, even if there's some priming involved by previous cards, it just depends on how you feel that 'priming' contributes to/reflects your knowledge vs. 'cheating', and thus how it impacts your memorization (whether you're accurately grading) and the scheduled reappearance of the card.
You could apply similar inter-card (and intra-) logic to wondering whether to avoid or use clusters of similar words or using images and other forms of media on the Question side of cards, to create interference vs. reinforcement vs. cheating yourself.
Failing Kanji & "Related" Kanji's? - Nukemarine - 2010-03-18
There's no right or wrong to this. On RevTK I never marked a card wrong even though the previous primitive came up and I missed it. On Anki, I might have pressed "difficult" if I think I would have missed it with recent "help" from a previous primitive. Just a personal call on my part.
Really though, like the others are saying, don't sweat it. You didn't just know the kanji because of cow. You knew it from Cow and Heaven High to get the correct Kanji from just one English word. Pretty damn good in my opinion.
Failing Kanji & "Related" Kanji's? - ruiner - 2010-03-18
Oops, yes I do that as well, grade it 'hard' or whatnot sometimes as a 'partial failure'. Depends on my mood. ;p Part of the 'failing in layers'™ thing.