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Zero overhead learning, thoughts on Core6k and vocab acquisition - kodorakun - 2010-03-03

Hi All,

I am an avid fan of the Core6K series. I decided to go all-kanji prompt, and then an answer with furigana, english translation, and the fancy professional audio (core6k imported to an anki deck). At first I was doing 10 sentences per day, then I did 15 sentences per day, then I upped it to 20 sentences per day. At around sentence ~650 I upped it to 30 sentences per day.

I just finished the first 1000 sentences a few days ago and tonight I did 40 sentences because I had so few failed cards after my usual 30 new. As mentioned above, I decided to up my sentences per day when my failed cards were around 5 to 10 per new-card session.
IT IS GETTING REALLY EASY. I'm guessing readings of words I don't know with pretty good accuracy, and this is definitely getting better on the order of days. The trend I am noticing is that for words I don't guess the reading of I typically have a close idea, or expectation that isn't always very far off, and I rarely fail those new sentences twice in a row (though there are still a few hard ones each session).

So, now my questions:
1) I am (naively?) surprised that things are going so well. Has anyone else done this approach and found that around sentence 1000 that things take a turn for the easier, that the readings become less of an issue and it's really more just about new words, their readings not being the hard part?

2) Some of the Core sentences are a bit dull, but I still really like the nice quality audio and the practice reading, but most importantly to me it is learning with zero overhead time investment in preparing the material. I leeched all the core series, anki automatically feeds me new material each day, and that's that. When I was mining grammar dictionaries and native material I was overwhelmed by the large amounts of time "wasted" organizing it all. What are some of your favorite super-efficient study methods in this regard?

3) Is there any other organized/accessible resource that has audio as well done and thorough as the Core series?

4) I remember the Rosetta Stone series being really slow and dull at the beginning, but that it also had some really advanced sentences and stuff for the later lessons (but that was when I looked at it a long time ago). Has anyone ever gone back and tried skipping to those later lessons? I only ask because I know it has some sort of professional audio...

Thanks for any comments!

k

Zero overhead learning, thoughts on Core6k and vocab acquisition - blackmacros - 2010-03-03

kodorakun Wrote:Hi All,

I am an avid fan of the Core6K series. I decided to go all-kanji prompt, and then an answer with furigana, english translation, and the fancy professional audio (core6k imported to an anki deck). At first I was doing 10 sentences per day, then I did 15 sentences per day, then I upped it to 20 sentences per day. At around sentence ~650 I upped it to 30 sentences per day.

I just finished the first 1000 sentences a few days ago and tonight I did 40 sentences because I had so few failed cards after my usual 30 new. As mentioned above, I decided to up my sentences per day when my failed cards were around 5 to 10 per new-card session.
IT IS GETTING REALLY EASY. I'm guessing readings of words I don't know with pretty good accuracy, and this is definitely getting better on the order of days. The trend I am noticing is that for words I don't guess the reading of I typically have a close idea, or expectation that isn't always very far off, and I rarely fail those new sentences twice in a row (though there are still a few hard ones each session).
I think you'll find that this is a combination of two things: 1) As you go through the Core6k Series, you gain experience related to adding and reviewing new sentences in Anki and you naturally start to be able to handle a greater workload, and this positive effect is compounded by 2) the fact that the more readings you learn and internalise, the easier it becomes for you to guess the readings of new words

Quote:So, now my questions:
1) I am (naively?) surprised that things are going so well. Has anyone else done this approach and found that around sentence 1000 that things take a turn for the easier, that the readings become less of an issue and it's really more just about new words, their readings not being the hard part?
I haven't done Core6K specifically (I did KO2001) but I experienced a similar effect. The more readings you know, the easier it becomes to learn new ones, and the easier it becomes to guess the readings of new words.


Quote:2) Some of the Core sentences are a bit dull, but I still really like the nice quality audio and the practice reading, but most importantly to me it is learning with zero overhead time investment in preparing the material. I leeched all the core series, anki automatically feeds me new material each day, and that's that. When I was mining grammar dictionaries and native material I was overwhelmed by the large amounts of time "wasted" organizing it all. What are some of your favorite super-efficient study methods in this regard?
Check out raseru's "My Study Method" thread for a really efficient way of mining light novel/novel txt files.

Zero overhead learning, thoughts on Core6k and vocab acquisition - Codexus - 2010-03-03

Also for some reason, they seem to put the more obscure words first in core6k (大蔵省) and then it gets easier.