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Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - learningkanji - 2014-01-07
Using your optimized core 2k6k deck, I've noticed there are no cards that play the audio first to help hearing practice. Are any cards like that in your deck?
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - Nukemarine - 2014-01-07
learningkanji Wrote:Using your optimized core 2k6k deck, I've noticed there are no cards that play the audio first to help hearing practice. Are any cards like that in your deck?If you know how to edit Anki, you can change it to play audio first. Personally, I think there's better methods for listening practice if you start doing subs2srs with Japanese dramas or anime.
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - learningkanji - 2014-01-07
I've never used subs2srs. Maybe I'll give it a try soon.
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - afterglowefx - 2014-01-23
Been using Anki for a few months and I want to make sure I've got the general process down for merging this with my completed Core2k deck in standard order. Please have a look and let me know, much appreciated!
1) Download new deck, add to Anki
2) Download audio files linked in thread, place in Anki media folder
3) In card browser, search Optimized deck for "notes:Core 2000*"
4) Delete Core2k cards
5) Move cards from standard Core2k to Optimized deck (or vice versa)
6) Via tools, check for unused media and delete it
And... that should be it, right?
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - supermancampus - 2014-03-07
Hello All,
Not sure if anyone still peruses this thread, but home for some guidance from the masters here.
I've working through this deck for awhile, but I recently changed the layout to recognition.
I'm curious has anyone done that? Is there an advantage or should I work through the deck as is, and then worry about recognition later? Thanks.
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - muteki99 - 2014-03-07
I think there is value in both, but unless you have a lot of time or are very patient, doing both will double your reviews and so it has a significant time cost.
For me, I did the 2k production as that was how the deck is setup but also I find that the vocabulary included has few synonyms, so there are only a few instances where the english word has multiple correct answers. For these I try to recall all of them.
I'm about a third of the way through 6k and I'm finding that there are waaaay more synonyms in the vocabulary. I'm glad I didn't do this production.
For me, when I switched to recognition it was mainly just wanting to do something different, and I was getting frustrated seeing words in my reading that I could probably produce had I known the english word in Anki, but had trouble recognizing.
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - Stansfield123 - 2014-03-08
supermancampus Wrote:Hello All,Assuming that by recognition you mean reading the sentences, in my opinion, recognition is enough to get you started reading. In other words, if reading a word within a Core sentence (including identifying the Kanji it's made up of) is easy for you, you won't suddenly find yourself not being able to recognize that word in regular text. Especially since most words appear in more than one Core sentence.
Not sure if anyone still peruses this thread, but home for some guidance from the masters here.
I've working through this deck for awhile, but I recently changed the layout to recognition.
I'm curious has anyone done that? Is there an advantage or should I work through the deck as is, and then worry about recognition later? Thanks.
Doesn't mean it's gonna be easy to recognize. It won't, it will take focus in the beginning, as you start reading. But you won't have to go to the dictionary (and basically learn that word again, before you can read it), with a little effort you'll be able to figure out what it is on the spot.
And that's really all you can ask of Anki. It can't make you fluent, it can only get you started.
However, if you don't plan on learning Japanese by reading (you prefer listening, or production), then there might be some merit to doing the production deck instead. Just because you're able to easily read a word, doesn't automatically mean you also recognize it when you hear it. Although, in this case, listening to the audio of each card, every time, might go a long way towards fixing that problem. I've done a lot of both types of reviews, so, to be honest, it's pretty hard for me to evaluate which helped me do what. The only thing I know for a fact is what I said in the first two paragraphs: for reading, recognition is enough.
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - afterglowefx - 2014-03-08
Building on what Stansfield said, I have actually been in a position where I did absolutely zero production cards. When I started Anki it was with a sentence deck, Japanese on the front and English on the back. I mined all the sentences myself from Rosetta Stone and Tatoeba.org and was up to about 3000 cards. And as Stanfield said, just because you can read and recognize a word easily doesn't mean you can produce it.
I've since finished Core2k and am in the middle of Core6k. My sentence deck now has about 1000 closzed sentences in it. I'm in an environment where I need to produce Japanese all day, and before I had production cards in my deck it was frequently a struggle. Dictionary look-ups were maddening because they often returned words I was supposed to know. I no longer struggle very much with it since starting Core and clozed sentences.
I'm no neurologist but it seems to me that when you only do recognition you're only strengthening memory in one direction. When you suddenly call on the brain to trek down that neural web in reverse it's going to get lost. You need to practice both.
That said, if all you want to do is read then maybe production isn't as necessary for you. But having said that, why study a language only to find that you can't speak it?
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - codex - 2014-03-09
I agree with making as many new connections as possible in your neural pathways. For vocab study, when I read an English word I say it out loud in Japanese, when I read a kana word I say it out loud in English, and when I read kanji I say them out loud in Japanese. The English functions like Heisig keywords for me. By the time I can read a kanji out loud in Japanese it no longer "means" (I'm not "translating" it from) the associated English word; it means the Japanese word to me. For me, production and recognition reinforce each other.
I'm probably not setting any speed records here, but my current goals are modest. I want to be able to read everyday things like signs and menus when I'm in Japan and write emails that don't sound like they were written by a child.
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - Stansfield123 - 2014-03-09
afterglowefx Wrote:That said, if all you want to do is read then maybe production isn't as necessary for you. But having said that, why study a language only to find that you can't speak it?Even someone who has only ever read a language, but is a fluent reader, will require very little time to also learn to speak it. Just because you want to read, write and speak a language, doesn't mean you have to focus on all three aspects equally, and study until you can do all three well enough to enjoy them. You can focus on one until you are able to do that one thing. Then you can do that one thing, until you're good at it. Then, it's really easy to learn the other two.
Focusing on reading is just one way to go about it, and it's not for everyone. Personally, I have learned several languages by focusing on reading, simply because I love reading. In fact I probably acquired most of my vocab from reading even in my native language.
I think that's a very natural way to learn languages. First you encounter words while reading, understand their meaning and natural usage, and then it's much easier to start using them in writing, and eventually in conversation.
Obviously, you could just study until you're able to do all three activities sufficiently well, and only then start doing them. But that will at least double your study time before you are able to use the language in a self gratifying way. Why would you want to do that, when you can pick one activity to train for, after which you can jump right in and enjoy one aspect of the language (which in turn will help you learn the rest without too much actual studying)?
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - afterglowefx - 2014-03-09
I've never studied a second language to fluency so it's good to know that it comes so naturally once the time calls for it. I can only draw on my own experience, which, without production cards, was awful.
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - batheusbaula - 2014-03-19
Okay, this is probably a stupid question, but in the main post, it says that I should get the Kanzen Master deck from the "KM thread link". I couldn't find this thread on the forums, so that left me wondering whether it was invisible for certain users (maybe you need to give proof that you own a Kanzen Master Two copy to someone to be able to see it?), does not exist anymore or I'm just being stupid and not able to find it somehow. Can someone shed some light on it for me?
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - learningkanji - 2014-04-13
For some reason, the new cards I'm learning don't show the images. This started happening today and I'm not sure what to do. All my other decks are fine and the previous cards from this deck still show the images.
I recently got past the 2000th word so maybe images after 2k words don't work?
"Core 2k/6k Image and Audio Files
Core 2k6k Vocabulary Audio Place in the Anki deck .media folder
Core 2k6k Sentence Audio Place in the Anki deck .media folder
Core 2k Sentence Image Place in the Anki deck .media folder (some images may not match up, sorry)."
From the OP, it looks like there are only images for the 2k part? Is that so?
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - PotbellyPig - 2014-04-13
There are no more images after Core 2000.
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - learningkanji - 2014-04-13
Wow really? So I guess I just continue as normal? How much of a difference do images make?
I've actually been thinking about this recently. Sometimes I would encounter a new word but the image used was used for another word I've already learned and I'd instantly say the word I've already learned just from seeing that image. Maybe it's a good transition to not have images for help?
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - PotbellyPig - 2014-04-13
learningkanji Wrote:Wow really? So I guess I just continue as normal? How much of a difference do images make?I wouldn't worry about it. You are not going to take the time to search for images for every new word you encounter in the wild. It's probably helpful in the beginning but since you are past that stage, just keep on going.
I've actually been thinking about this recently. Sometimes I would encounter a new word but the image used was used for another word I've already learned and I'd instantly say the word I've already learned just from seeing that image. Maybe it's a good transition to not have images for help?
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - s0apgun - 2014-05-04
Nukemarine's earthquake post on the front page of reddit right now haha i see you
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - Nukemarine - 2014-05-05
s0apgun Wrote:Nukemarine's earthquake post on the front page of reddit right now haha i see youI did not expect that post to become that popular.
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - qwertyytrewq - 2014-05-05
I saw it too. It's not even news! It's just a weakass 6.0 or so. Granted, an earthquake like that would be chaotic in a lesser countryl, but Japan ain't one.
Nothing against you nukemarine, everything against redditors (excluding you nukemarine).
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - john_sabater - 2014-05-07
I thank you to Nukemarine for making a wonderful guide. But I do have some questions pertaining to the Core 2k/6k Optimized Japanese Vocabulary.
After about 3 weeks of finishing RTK1 and its supplement since the beginning of February of this year 3 days ago I decided to take up Core 2k/6k Optimized Japanese Vocabulary which I downloaded from anki web. I do not aim write in Japanese but I want be able to read Japanese.When I mean read in Japanese means I know the meaning and how its pronounced. I also have been intensively in a Japanese environment since 4 years ago which means Japanese grammar has grown naturally.
My Questions
1.How do you turn the Core 2k/6k Optimized Japanese Vocabulary(from anki web) to just have recognition decks(Japanese to English)? If not is there any deck out there available?
2.When doing Core 2k/6k Optimized Japanese Vocabulary would you still maintain RTK 1 reviews?
3.How many new cards do you learn everyday and review limit on Core 2k/6k Optimized Japanese Vocabulary?
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - Dustin_Calgary - 2014-05-07
john_sabater Wrote:1.How do you turn the Core 2k/6k Optimized Japanese Vocabulary(from anki web) to just have recognition decks(Japanese to English)? If not is there any deck out there available?1. Open the deck in anki and hit "Browse" on the top right.
2.When doing Core 2k/6k Optimized Japanese Vocabulary would you still maintain RTK 1 reviews?
3.How many new cards do you learn everyday and review limit on Core 2k/6k Optimized Japanese Vocabulary?
When you have selected the Core2k/6k....field you will see 2 buttons underneath the list of facts, a "Fields" and a "Cards" button.
Click cards
On the top left you can change between card formats. Clicking the red X will delete the card format and all the associated cards.
You can use this area to tweak the cards as well, if you want to remove something from appearing on the cards, or change around the layout at all.
2. I keep up both, as some I still won't see in Core at all. I do over time change my rtk deck to have japanese keywords rather than english though, I find it less ambiguous, and more useful.
3. I don't have a set number of cards daily, some days I do no new cards, others I do a bunch, though I am using the iknow playform to learn the core vocab, then as I master each step I unsuspend those particular cards in my core deck and continue with my reviews there instead.
I work more based on time available rather than getting X number per day in. I find myself less bogged down that way.
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - john_sabater - 2014-05-08
Dustin_Calgary Wrote:1. Open the deck in anki and hit "Browse" on the top right.Can you share the formatting I need for the recognition cards?
When you have selected the Core2k/6k....field you will see 2 buttons underneath the list of facts, a "Fields" and a "Cards" button.
Click cards
On the top left you can change between card formats. Clicking the red X will delete the card format and all the associated cards.
You can use this area to tweak the cards as well, if you want to remove something from appearing on the cards, or change around the layout at all.
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - Dustin_Calgary - 2014-05-08
john_sabater Wrote:So how will I edit multiple cards at once to change the field order?Essentially how the cards work in Anki, is that you have a bunch of fields about a fact.
The card layouts will generate flashcards from the data you have entered for each fact.
Changing the card layout will change all of the corresponding generated cards.
This sums up the basics of card layouts.
http://remembereverything.org/anki-2-vocabulary-flash-cards/
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - john_sabater - 2014-05-11
Dustin_Calgary Wrote:Essentially how the cards work in Anki, is that you have a bunch of fields about a fact.Thx that really helped me. I now understand more of anki stuff and successfully made my recognition deck.
The card layouts will generate flashcards from the data you have entered for each fact.
Changing the card layout will change all of the corresponding generated cards.
This sums up the basics of card layouts.
http://remembereverything.org/anki-2-vocabulary-flash-cards/
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - learningkanji - 2014-05-11
Is it possible to get rid of the furigana on the front of the cards for core2k6k?
<span style="font-size: 28px; ">{{Vocabulary-English}}</span> <span style="font-size: 15px; color: #5555ff">{{Vocabulary-Pos}}</span><br>
<span style="font-family: ＭＳ ゴシック; font-size: 32px; ">{{furigana:Sentence-Clozed}}</span><br>
{{Caution}}<br>
{{Sentence-Image}}<br>
<span style="font-size: 15px; ">{{Sentence-English}}</span>
That's the code.