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Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - uisukii - 2013-03-22
overture2112 Wrote:Of course, if you're just using Core as a vocab-word-only deck it's not particularly relevant since you won't be looking at the example sentence much in the first place.That's a rather inaccurate thing to tell someone. There are many terms which due to having different usages in Japanese whereas in English a single term or very few are usually used, of which unless referring to the context provided within the sentence, there is very little means of coming up with the correct Japanese term/reading in a comprehensive manner.
Why would you tell someone what they won't be doing? Just because you may have studied something a certain way doesn't mean that it is the correct/only way to do it.
For example, in English you could say:
"the shop is closed"
"close your books"
"close your mouth"
"is the door closed?"
"why is that window closed?"
"I closed that window"
"the window is closed"
But if the vocab word was "close/closed", you have no way of knowing which is the accurate Japanese term to use without looking at the sentence, determining which it is transitive or intransitive, etc. Words don't exist is isolation and part of "knowing" a word is being aware of how it is generally used and how it is not. There should already be countless examples of "Engrish" out there if one wants to see how this can work in practice.
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - undead_saif - 2013-03-23
uisukii Wrote:But if the vocab word was "close/closed", you have no way of knowing which is the accurate Japanese term to use without looking at the sentence, determining which it is transitive or intransitive, etc.This is exactly why I don't look at the sentence before answering in recognition mode, because I'm supposed to know the difference between 閉める and 閉まる because someday I'm going to decide which one to use while talking/writing.
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - uisukii - 2013-03-23
undead_saif Wrote:That is only when 閉める or 閉まる are present. Doesn't the default model in Nukemarine's Core have a close with an English term above the sentence? Like this:uisukii Wrote:But if the vocab word was "close/closed", you have no way of knowing which is the accurate Japanese term to use without looking at the sentence, determining which it is transitive or intransitive, etc.This is exactly why I don't look at the sentence before answering in recognition mode, because I'm supposed to know the difference between 閉める and 閉まる because someday I'm going to decide which one to use while talking/writing.
Front of card:
shut, close Verb
ちゃんとドアを（ ）よ。
Back of card:
shut, close Verb
ちゃんとドアを（ ）よ。
閉[し]める
ちゃんとドアを閉しめてよ。
Close the door properly.
-- Core 2000 Step 02 - 051 --
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - NinKenDo - 2013-04-04
Quote:One or more notes were not imported, because they didn't generate any cards. This can happen when you have empty fields or when you have not mapped the content in the text file to the correct fields.
Needed to create a card with one of the fields on the front first. Bit silly really.
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - fuzzion - 2013-05-18
Hello I'm about to start with this guide but when I check the RTK deck that I downloaded it looks like this:
http://i.imgur.com/UGuB6TG.png
Should it be like that and should I learn everything on the card? I have no idea what everything is so I'm pretty overwhelmed.
Sorry if someone already explained this
Edit: also I can't seem to find any card when I search for "2001KO_1" in the deck
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - undead_saif - 2013-05-19
Normally, all we care about is the Keyword (in this case being "one" in blue) and the Kanji (漢字: 一). The other things are the readings and examples which I think you don't want to memorize right now. So, edit the card template and remove the unnecessary fields.
fuzzion Wrote:Edit: also I can't seem to find any card when I search for "2001KO_1" in the deckJudging from the screenshot "2001KO_1" is "2k1#".
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - fuzzion - 2013-05-19
undead_saif Wrote:Normally, all we care about is the Keyword (in this case being "one" in blue) and the Kanji (漢字: 一). The other things are the readings and examples which I think you don't want to memorize right now. So, edit the card template and remove the unnecessary fields.Thanks for the help! I now got everything configured.
fuzzion Wrote:Edit: also I can't seem to find any card when I search for "2001KO_1" in the deckJudging from the screenshot "2001KO_1" is "2k1#".
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - undead_saif - 2013-05-19
fuzzion Wrote:Thanks for the help! I now got everything configured.Great! Don't hesitate to ask!
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - OzarM - 2013-06-03
When doing the pre-built Tae Kim deck, I don't suppose there's any way to change it so that you can type in just the relevant answer instead of the entire sentence?
(Sorry if this is the wrong place, I wasn't sure..)
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - uisukii - 2013-06-04
OzarM Wrote:When doing the pre-built Tae Kim deck, I don't suppose there's any way to change it so that you can type in just the relevant answer instead of the entire sentence?You don't have to type in anything at all if you don't want to.
(Sorry if this is the wrong place, I wasn't sure..)
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - muteki99 - 2013-06-04
Not to clutter up the thread with too many Anki questions, and this may be a general question but more specific to the Core 2k/6k deck linked to in the OP:
-If all cards are not suspended, what determines the order in which they are presented?
For example, if I am doing 15 new cards/day, which 15 out of the deck will be studied that day? Is the order hard coded into the deck itself, is it adjustable in the browser/settings somewhere?
I'm a couple weeks into core and am trying to solidify my workflow, and in messing around the browse screen I figured out how the "Sort Field" worked, how to assign it to different things etc.
I'm just curious if any changes I may make in the browser could screw up the "optimized" order of appearance, so I will know up front not to do that. Its very early, but right now I feel the vocab I am seeing and the grammar in the sentences is right at my level if not a little below it, and I'd like to not screw that up.
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - Nukemarine - 2013-06-04
Muteki,
Going off memory, the order should be coded in the deck itself. I don't know if Anki 2 offers an easy way to reorder the presentation of new cards though.
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - muteki99 - 2013-06-04
Thanks that good to know. This is Anki 2 and you can reorder the presentation by sorting on most of the fields in the browser, but in getting things organized I didn't know if this had a detrimental effect on the deck order.
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - Doctorate - 2013-06-06
Thank you for everyone that contributed information in this topic.
However, I have some major questions that I would like answered!
1. It says to start with RTK and the anki deck.
Could you please go into more detail about this step, as I have not seen it fully explained?
Does this mean I should use the RTK book 1 for learning the kanji and English keyword?
Or does it mean to use RTK book 1 and also learn the Japanese readings AND English keyword?
I ask because the anki deck starts using the word いち but technically I wouldn't know what いち means if I only use RTK book 1 (Japanese readings are not given, only English keywords). If I'm supposed to learn the readings, then how would I do this? With another book I assume?
Could you please clarify this major step?
Thank you.
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - Nukemarine - 2013-06-06
Doctorate,
I'm assuming you're talking about the RTK deck. It has a lot of detail that's not meant to be memorized but instead are references for those that can make use of it.
At first, you just worry about the Keyword and the Kanji. In time, you might appreciate the additional meanings offered if the Keyword is a bit to ambigious. Later, after you start to learn Japanese you might forget the Keyword but remember a Japanese word that uses that Kanji, so thats why I included Onyomi and Kunyomi words.
Yeah, for now, don't worry about any of the Japanese words and pronunciations on the cards. They become useful later. Keyword and Kanji for now.
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - Doctorate - 2013-06-16
Hi nukemarine. I have another question:
I've now learnt 200 kanji using RTK, and I will try to finish this book quickly.
I will want to start basic vocabulary soon. How should I go about this?
I read that we should use the core2k/6k anki deck and go from kana to kanji?
However, I'm not sure why this would be suggested. Shouldn't we go from English word to Japanese word?
Otherwise, how would we know the meaning of いち?
Also, which resource should we use for vocabulary (for the actual studying)?
I understand anki should be used for reviewing, but I suppose it cannot be used for initial studying (we would get all first seen cards incorrect, which will mess up the stats and possibly frequency).
[b] So basically I'm asking for the exact process of learning new vocabulary! Explaining each step, as I'm very confused
[\b]Hope someone can answer!
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - Nukemarine - 2013-06-16
Doctorate,
I've altered the suggestion a while back. It now says to go English word to Japanese word. On top of that, there's a clozed delete Japanese example sentence and an English translation of the sentence and example photo to help you recall or figure out the correct word.
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - mythdat - 2013-06-18
Nukemarine Wrote:Optimized Kore 2k/6k first 500 vocabulary words; for Anki Deck unsuspend 1-335 and 401-565Hello,
This may be a silly question but how do I unsuspend these specific cards? In Anki on the "Browse" screen I've suspended all of the cards in the deck, but I don't see any card numbers on the list of cards so I don't know which ones are 1-335 and 401-565.
Thanks
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - PkmnTrainerAbram - 2013-06-29
Not sure if I should make another topic for this, but I have a question on using the Core 6000 deck.
I spend about 53 minutes a day in the morning, learning about 30 new words initially, and going through 113 cards. Is that too slow, or too fast at this point?
I used to do 200-250 in 30 minutes before RTK, but I didn't write out everything for the first pass and then focus on the writing of the vocab word then, like I've been doing now following Nuke's advice.
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - RawToast - 2013-06-30
PkmnTrainerAbram Wrote:I spend about 53 minutes a day in the morning, learning about 30 new words initially, and going through 113 cards. Is that too slow, or too fast at this point?I guess it depends on how long your taking for learning the new cards and how you review. If you're drawing the Kanji/Kana your reviews are going to take much longer than for recognition, your covering less ground but you should end up being stronger at it.
I used to do 200-250 in 30 minutes before RTK, but I didn't write out everything for the first pass and then focus on the writing of the vocab word then, like I've been doing now following Nuke's advice.
Note I only do single item recognition. Over the last 3 days I have reviewed 170-220 cards a day with an average time of ~18 minutes. For a more complete picture, on my grammar sentences I average 53 cards a day (last 30 days), which takes 15 minutes.
Quote:This may be a silly question but how do I unsuspend these specific cards? In Anki on the "Browse" screen I've suspended all of the cards in the deck, but I don't see any card numbers on the list of cards so I don't know which ones are 1-335 and 401-565.Browse the deck, click 'Fields' and select either 'Optimized-Voc-Index' or 'Optimized-Sent-Index'. Press the 'Sort by this field in the browser' toggle and then 'close'. The sort field in the browse screen should now display the card number instead of the expression.
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - Tykkylumi - 2013-07-02
I have a quick question to those of you doing core6k, do you learn the cards before you go through it in anki or do you just jump straight into it on anki?
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - ryanjmack - 2013-07-02
Tykkylumi Wrote:I have a quick question to those of you doing core6k, do you learn the cards before you go through it in anki or do you just jump straight into it on anki?http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=10692
I asked a similar question before. Hope this helps!
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - netsplitter - 2013-07-02
Tykkylumi Wrote:I have a quick question to those of you doing core6k, do you learn the cards before you go through it in anki or do you just jump straight into it on anki?When I was doing core6k, the learning mode in Anki 2 served its purpose very well. So for me, jumping right into it worked well, so I can recommend it. Try it for a week and see how it works for you.
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - RawToast - 2013-07-03
Same as netsplitter, I just used the learning mode. I think it could be tweaked to be better, but it did the job.
Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners - uisukii - 2013-07-03
Similar to netsplitter and RawToast, I do not learn the cards prior. Do not use Learning Mode, however the method used effectively covers the function of LM, essentially in an overkill fashion:-
Four variants of Core10K:
*English meaning/s on the front, along with the English sentence below, for context: aim is to produce Japanese word (kana and kanji, if applicable) - rear of card contains Japanese meaning/Sentence reading;
*Japanese word on the front, along with the Japanese sentence below, for context: aim is to produce related English meaning/s - rear of card contains English meaning/Sentence and Japanese sentence reading;
*Audio of Japanese word, along with Japanese sentence below, for context: aim is to produce Japanese word (kana and kanji, if applicable) and English meaning - rear of card contains both Japanese word and sentence reading, and English meaning/Sentence;
*Audio of Japanese word, along with audio Japanese sentence below, for context: aim is to produce Japanese word (kana and kanji, if applicable) and English meaning - rear of card contains both Japanese word and sentence reading, and English meaning/Sentence.
There are many ways to set up Anki to create a pseudo "learning phase", depending on your learning preferences. Anki can be a very useful tool, as due to being able to throw almost any type of multimedia at it; many of its limitations lie not in software but in the user imagination.