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Brain teaser - synewave - 2007-04-26
At the recent RTK get thgether in Tokyo there were various kanji discussions. At one stage so of the guys busted out some tricky questions. katsuo told us there is apparently ONE 常用漢字 NOT included in RTK1. The problem is, I've forgotten it already!
So katsuo (or anyone else) can you enlighten me?
Cheers,
p.s. scooter also had a good one...but I'll leave it for him to post!
Brain teaser - Kieron - 2007-04-26
Coincidentally, I'd just been wondering about that too... I'd been adding grade levels to the Heisig list (curious where the last kyoiku kanji was in the book), and found one leftover!
It's 璽 (ジ) "emperor's seal".
Brain teaser - synewave - 2007-04-26
Kieron Wrote:It's 璽 (ジ) "emperor's seal".Thanks Kieron! I've added it in to my review now. The frame number is 2075. Keyword imperial seal. It's made up of 2074 let it be and 256 jewel. Oh, and it's only reading is ジ e.g. 国璽（こくじ）
Cheers,
Brain teaser - JimmySeal - 2007-04-26
I have a sneaky one. How do you pronounce 物 in the following word?:
しょく物
Brain teaser - synewave - 2007-04-26
JimmySeal Wrote:I have a sneaky one. How do you pronounce 物 in the following word?:Is it a trick question?
しょく物
I would have said しょくぶつ as in 植物。
Brain teaser - synewave - 2007-04-26
I get it now...it is a trick question!
Not bad.
Brain teaser - killjoule - 2007-04-26
i dont quite get it. is it a trick cause it could be ぶつ or もつ?
Brain teaser - synewave - 2007-04-27
killjoule Wrote:i dont quite get it. is it a trick cause it could be ぶつ or もつ?That's pretty much what I reckon.
植物 － しょくぶつ
食物 － しょくもつ
@ JimmySeal - is that what you were getting at?
Brain teaser - JimmySeal - 2007-04-27
Yea. There's no single way to read it, and if it were written out that way one would have to guess from the context.
Brain teaser - Katsuo - 2007-04-27
So here's another one:
Heisig's system depends on each keyword being unique. But one keyword comes up twice (oops). Which is it?
Brain teaser - synewave - 2007-04-27
Katsuo Wrote:So here's another one:Katsuo is very dedicated to his studies.
Heisig's system depends on each keyword being unique. But one keyword comes up twice (oops). Which is it?
Brain teaser - Katsuo - 2007-04-27
Quote:Katsuo is very dedicated to his studies.Not dedicated enough, it seems, because I'd noticed a different duplicate. So there's two (at least). The one I'd noticed was also renamed for the 4th edition.
Brain teaser - JimmySeal - 2007-04-27
Well I can think of one pair. I'd say despite all the misprints, the duplicates in the book certainly aren't numerous enough to fill a storehouse.
Brain teaser - Katsuo - 2007-04-28
"Storehouse". Are you sure? Perhaps I have a different edition because I didn't have the remotest idea about that.
By the way, to anybody who likes doing kanji puzzles, there is a magazine out now called 漢字楽 (kanji raku) which is full of them. It costs 440 円 and has lots of prizes on offer. (If you are trying for the prizes, then answers have to be submitted by July 5th.)
漢字楽 seems to be widely available inside Japan, but I'm not sure about outside.
Brain teaser - leosmith - 2007-04-28
JimmySeal Wrote:I have a sneaky one. How do you pronounce 物 in the following word?:Why can't it be もの? Is it because もの is a seperate word? Or because もの is not normally written with 漢字?
しょく物
Brain teaser - synewave - 2007-04-28
leosmith Wrote:Do you have the word しょくもの in your dictionary?JimmySeal Wrote:I have a sneaky one. How do you pronounce 物 in the following word?:Why can't it be もの? Is it because もの is a seperate word? Or because もの is not normally written with 漢字?
しょく物
Brain teaser - leosmith - 2007-04-28
synewave Wrote:Do you have the word しょくもの in your dictionary?Hey, not fair using logic :lol:
Let's just assume the dictionary self-combusted, and the internet closed down to be painted. Why wouldn't もの be a possibility?
Brain teaser - wrightak - 2007-05-01
leosmith Wrote:Let's just assume the dictionary self-combusted, and the internet closed down to be painted. Why wouldn't もの be a possibility?Maybe because no one says しょくもの? I don't get it.
Brain teaser - Serge - 2007-05-01
Or because mixing kun- and on-yomi is not something that is seen very often?
Brain teaser - synewave - 2007-05-01
leosmith Wrote:It's analogous to asking "Why is a bus stop called a bus stop?" - Because it is.synewave Wrote:Do you have the word しょくもの in your dictionary?Hey, not fair using logic :lol:
Let's just assume the dictionary self-combusted, and the internet closed down to be painted. Why wouldn't もの be a possibility?
From the dictionaries I've checked, しょくもの simply isn't a word, that's why you don't say it.
But if one didn't have any dictionaries to check, or the internet to browse, しょくもの would be a fair guess, I suppose. But in this case, not the answer.
Brain teaser - wrightak - 2007-05-01
Serge Wrote:Or because mixing kun- and on-yomi is not something that is seen very often?Can anyone give an example of when this happens? I can't think of anything.
Brain teaser - wrightak - 2007-05-01
synewave Wrote:But if one didn't have any dictionaries to check, or the internet to browse,or anyone to ask...
Brain teaser - synewave - 2007-05-01
wrightak Wrote:There are loads of words out there that are mixtures of KUN and ON yomi (or vice versa) but off the top of my head, the only one that springs to mind is 荷物。Serge Wrote:Or because mixing kun- and on-yomi is not something that is seen very often?Can anyone give an example of when this happens? I can't think of anything.
EDIT: an example of a 音・訓 combo: 無口 （むくち） - reticince
Brain teaser - Raichu - 2007-05-05
Some mixed reading words I know:
本屋 ほんや bookshop
台所 だいどころ kitchen
四時 よじ 4 o'clock
大好き だいすき greatly like
大嫌い だいきらい greatly dislike
本田 ほんだ Honda (name)
Some kanji only have 音 or 訓 readings, so compounds of those are sometimes mixed. Some random examples from edict (don't know how common these words are):
畑作: はたさく (n) dry field farming; dry field crop;
畑地: はたち (n) farmland;
上期: かみき (n-adv,n) first half of the year;
下期: しもき (n-adv,n) second half of the fiscal year;
区切り: くぎり (n) an end; a stop; punctuation;
意気込み: いきごみ (n) ardor; enthusiasm;
大時代: おおじだい (adj-na,n) old-fashioned; antiquated;
大路: おおじ (n) main street;
Brain teaser - Serge - 2007-05-07
Raichu Wrote:Some mixed reading words I know:Such words do exist but there are no 'loads' of them. Raichu's examples from the first set are, technically speaking, compound words formed in different ways, not entirely representative of the phenomenon. The second list comes closer.