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KanjiTown vs. KO2001 - spleenlol - 2010-01-12
Hey guys. I'm relatively new to the forums but I've been reading and trying to research different ideas and topics to do after RTK1. I am currently doing kanjitown and it's kinda working for me. I'm not really too far into it however. I kinda just noticed the thread about KO2001. [sorry if i'm not posting this in the correct place on the forums]. I was wondering which do you think would be better? For me to continue with kanjitown and finish it or to do KO2001? I had originally planned to do kanjitown and then learn some vocab and work on sentences. But after looking at KO2001 it is starting to seem like that is ultimately the best option for me. What do you guys think?
KanjiTown vs. KO2001 - auxetoiles - 2010-01-12
Hmmm, it's a bit hard to compare them, as they serve different purposes. KanjiTown is sort of like the Movie Method, isn't it? For learning readings in isolation?
KO2001 is more of a vocab expander (Kanji In Context is another set of books along the same vein) - you learn readings via actual words, shown in the context of example sentences.
spleenlol Wrote:I had originally planned to do kanjitown and then learn some vocab and work on sentences.Personally, I'd say that jumping straight into KO2001 (assuming you have basic grammar - say, Tae Kim or UBJG - under your belt) is a more efficient choice, because you're learning readings and vocab simultaneously, and using sentences from the word go.
But if you're a fair way into KanjiTown and happy with your progress, don't feel that you have to give it up because something potentially 'better' is out there. I found that (post UBJG) jumping between KO2001, KIC, native sources, iKnow/smart.fm, and podcast mining slowed my progress down. Once I committed to one thing (KO2001 in this case), my progress accelerated dramatically.
Having said that, there are people here who thrive on jumping between things without finishing anything
I guess it depends on your personality and learning style.
KanjiTown vs. KO2001 - spleenlol - 2010-01-12
auxetoiles Wrote:Personally, I'd say that jumping straight into KO2001 (assuming you have basic grammar - say, Tae Kim or UBJG - under your belt) is a more efficient choice, because you're learning readings and vocab simultaneously, and using sentences from the word go.Well I mean I have only really done about 20 or so stories for kanjitown. I'm not really that far into it. However I haven't done grammar or anything yet. I'm in Japanese 102 at my university so I know some grammar. I'm not far enough into kanjitown I don't think I'd be too upset if I quit it. I guess I haven't really done that much research on KO2001 yet to get like fully enthused about it. But I can just take some people's word for it and that will be good enough for me.
Do you think that doing Tae Kim and then doing KO2001 would be better then? Should you know some grammar before you do KO2001? I guess just thinking about it would make things easier if you know the grammar then you are just learning the vocab+readings. Hmmmm....I appreciate all of your help!
KanjiTown vs. KO2001 - zazen666 - 2010-01-12
if you know up to caustive and passive, you should be able to do KO. If not Kim first.
Most people here will agree that RTK, KIM, then KO is very efficient to get you up and running with Japanese...
KanjiTown vs. KO2001 - auxetoiles - 2010-01-12
spleenlol Wrote:Do you think that doing Tae Kim and then doing KO2001 would be better then? Should you know some grammar before you do KO2001?Yeah, you need to know some grammar - as zazen said, if you know everything up to the passive and causative part of TK, you'll be alright - because (imho) you really need to understand what part of the sentence is performing which function. UBJG pretty well covers the equivalent of JLPT 3 & 4 grammar (or so I've heard), but even with that under my belt I still found a couple of grammar points in KO that I hadn't seen before. I've got the reference version of どんな時どう使う to fill in the blanks for me, though. Not sure how quickly your university course moves, but it would have to be more efficient than the average to cover that much in a semester and a bit...
zazen666 Wrote:Most people here will agree that RTK, KIM, then KO is very efficient to get you up and running with Japanese...Dead set. Walls of incomprehensible text become "Okay, I generally know what's going on here, but I'm gonna need to look some words up". In other words, it's not a miracle worker, but it's a great base for getting into native materials. Be warned, though, the first hundred or so frames are a headache, but pretty soon after that words you've already learned will start popping up everywhere, making it much easier. Multiple contexts seem to make a lot of words 'click', too (for me, anyway).
Anyway, there's quite a few KO threads floating around (starter threads, 'how far will it take you?' threads, 'finished it' threads). Read through those thoroughly and it should cover everything you could possible want to know
KanjiTown vs. KO2001 - mezbup - 2010-01-12
Definitely understand what's in Tae Kim and then Tackle KO. There's a thread floating around on sorting the order of it so it becomes magnitudes easier. I didn't have that luxury when I did it but it sounds like it makes it a much smoother ride and honestly if you completed KO2001 you'd be leagues ahead of your classmates in reading ability.
KanjiTown vs. KO2001 - wccrawford - 2010-01-13
You know what's been working best of all for me so far? readthekanji.com
I did Pimsleur, LiveMocha, tried Rosetta Stone, did a lot from Smart.fm, and started doing words, then sentences from 2001KO in Anki. ReadTheKanji has been more productive than any one of those.
Don't get me wrong, they all helped... And they've each helped reinforce words... But ReadTheKanji is what has done the most for my reading skills by far.
KanjiTown vs. KO2001 - zazen666 - 2010-01-13
Cant one type in the reading for kanji with anki or smart.fm? What makes readingthekanji better? And doesnt it use the Tanaka Corpus? Does it use a SRS?
KanjiTown vs. KO2001 - spleenlol - 2010-01-13
mezbup Wrote:Definitely understand what's in Tae Kim and then Tackle KO. There's a thread floating around on sorting the order of it so it becomes magnitudes easier.Are you talking about sorting out Tae Kim or sorting out KO?
And I think I will do Tae Kim first and then tackle KO. Thanks a lot for your help everyone. I will try and find those threads about KO and read up on it a lot more but I think this will be the path that I will choose. ^.^v
KanjiTown vs. KO2001 - Nukemarine - 2010-01-13
Since everyone offered great advice about what to do after RTK, I'll talk about the title of the thread. Really, I think the title (due to the forum picked) should be "RTK2 vs KanjiTown".
So, how are you doing with KanjiTown method? It's a step most of us seem to voluntarily skip, usually due the problem of there being no consolidated effort to call upon (I tried to do that with Movie Method variant, but it didn't pan out too well).
Anyway, keep us informed of how you do with Kanji Town as it's not often reported. Personally, I'll probably hold off until I've done Kanzen Master 2 or something.
KanjiTown vs. KO2001 - spleenlol - 2010-01-13
If you wanna change the title of the thread by all means go ahead
Well starting off with Kanji Town things started to go pretty good. I'm really not all that far into it as I have just finished アーオン. I have noticed several things with it which made me browse around the forums.
1) I noticed that I could easily recall stories.
Ex. ウン： The ウンpa-lウンpa no longer CARRY(運) candy, they CARRY(運) CLOUDS(雲).
Just a funny little story to get me to remember that the on readings for un are CARRY and CLOUDS. Nothing really out of the ordinary.
However I could recall the stories really great but I knew the stories in order. I would go to http://www.asahi.com and try and practice reading characters that I could recognize through what I have already done with kanji town.
2) I also noticed however that even though I could recall the stories, I recalled them in order.
Ex. So a lot of kanji have an on reading of イ. I made my story take place in Italy. I can easily recall the story to you now but the main problem I see with it is I remember the kanji except I remember it from the story in order. I hope this is making sense. So I noticed the kanji for surround 囲 when I was trying to read on http://www.asahi.com. However even though I knew the kanji and I knew that I should know the onyomi...I couldn't remember it. Even though I could easily recall the story once I saw the onyomi.
So I guess Kanji Town works better for shorter stories. At least for me. Because even though I could recognize that I should know the kanji's onyomi, I would have to recall the whole story. Which to me seems to be a time waster.
That's about where I am at with it. Which is why I am trying to search for a more efficient method. Where I ran into KO2001 and I have been researching that.
So NukeMarine I think I might just quit doing Kanji Town because I'm learning but not really at the same time. I think KO2001 seems like it would be more effective.
KanjiTown vs. KO2001 - spleenlol - 2010-01-13
Also if someone could ballpark the time it takes to get through Tae Kim that would be great. I know it could different from person to person but about how long did it take you to get through Tae Kim?
KanjiTown vs. KO2001 - mezbup - 2010-01-13
I was talking about sorting KO2001. How long it takes to get through Tae Kim depends on the way you do it. You don't have to SRS it that stuff is super common so long as you read over it and feel comfortable you understand the grammar points at hand you'll have them repeated thousands of times for you in KO anyway.
KanjiTown vs. KO2001 - spleenlol - 2010-01-13
well i'm currently adding in the files to anki from this thread: http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=2419&page=1
i plan to just go through it in anki. is there a better way to do that you said? what do you mean by sorting it out really. fO.O
sorry if these are all basic questions >.<;
KanjiTown vs. KO2001 - NickCooper - 2010-01-14
Hmm, but surely if you remember the story you'd remember the onyomi? If it's in the little italy story no matter where in it, it's イ
Tae Kim is also a pretty brief glance at all the grammar. It'd be a lot easier to do something like Japanesepod101 in the car/train on the way to work/school in addition. There's like a little grammar point each lesson which would reinforce what you've learned in Tae Kim. I've just set mine up and it's actually pretty good, improves listening skills too which for me were abyssmal (still not great) until I spent some time in Japan
KanjiTown vs. KO2001 - spleenlol - 2010-01-14
NickCooper Wrote:Hmm, but surely if you remember the story you'd remember the onyomi? If it's in the little italy story no matter where in it, it's イYeah I'm not really sure why but I just couldn't remember the onyomi even if I remembered the word for it. I think just for me the longer the story gets the harder it is for me to recall the onyomi. I don't know if everyone has had this problem but I did so I was searching around for something new to try.
KanjiTown vs. KO2001 - Nukemarine - 2010-01-14
Sounds more like a Kanji chain (sequential story), not Kanji Town (spatial location with key items spread throughout). The movie method is Kanji Town, just using movie locations/actors/events.
KanjiTown vs. KO2001 - spleenlol - 2010-01-14
Nukemarine Wrote:Sounds more like a Kanji chain (sequential story), not Kanji Town (spatial location with key items spread throughout). The movie method is Kanji Town, just using movie locations/actors/events.hahah maybe I'm intertwining kanji chaining and kanji towns. I'm not sure but anyways I've moved on. Thanks for all of the help everyone! ^_^