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How do you set up your Sub2Srs decks? - mezbup - 2009-11-16
I've recently made my first dorama deck for "My Girl" (ep 1). I'm enjoying this show and it's easy enough for me to follow (with subs) so I thought i'd give it a whirl at SRSing it to boost my listening.
I was wondering, those of you that use sub2srs, how you do have your decks set up?
Personally I'm going to have mine set up as follows:
Recognition:
Question:
Image + Audio
Answer:
Audio
Leading subs Jap 1
Leading subs Jap 2
-Current line with furigana
--------------------------
Current line without furigana
English sub of current line
So basically It plays me the audio and I can see which part of the show its from given the image (videos we're just overkill and don't execute that nicely in Anki). It's my job to then comprehend what was being said.
Also what I do is when I click show answer I try and say it along with the audio clip when it plays again. I fail if I can't understand but not if I can't say it along with it.
I'm also wanting to have a production side which may go something like this (haven't set this part up yet)
Production:
Question:
Image
Leading subs 1 J
Leading subs 2 J
English sub current line in white (mouse over if desperately need)
Trailing subs 1 J (in white)
Trailing subs 2 J (in white)
Answer:
Leading Audio 1
Leading Audio 2
Audio
Jap Subs
I think what i'll do is go through the recognition side of the deck first and then go through the production side after.
How do you set up your Sub2Srs decks? - Nukemarine - 2009-11-17
I decided to go the recognition route only. There's a lot of reasons for this, but basics are I have decks for vocabulary, kanji and grammar that test production.
Question:
Image
Audio
Kanji of sentence
Kana of sentence
Answer:
Audio
Definitions (if any). Sometimes J-J, sometimes J-E, sometimes example sentences for a phrase used.
I first listen to the card without looking at the sentence (preferably understanding it, but not mandatory). Then I read the sentence out loud. If I have to look at the kana to pronounce a word then I mark the card "hard". If I don't know the meaning of any word, I mark it "wrong".
Seems counter-intuitive, but what I'm doing is learning the drama for when I'm listening to it (and others) all day and night. For that, I want recognition to be good cause it'll reinforce the actual training which is my listening of the full conversation. On top of that, I'll re-read every so often the script of the drama if it's available.
So far, so good with my 5th drama in the line up. I find that by the 4th or 5th time reviewing, that I delete about 2/3 of the cards anyway so I am left with some meaty sentences. Please note also that any new words or kanji from these Drama go in my Vocabulary and Kanji deck.
How do you set up your Sub2Srs decks? - Spines11 - 2009-11-17
I'm doing it with Hana Yori Dango, and my set up is:
Question:
Image + Kanji Sentence
Answer:
Video clip with sound and english meaning
I'm trying to do the AJATT method, described here, http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how,
So, in order for me to be correct on the card i have to be able to read the sentence aloud with no furigana, know the meaning of every word in the sentence, understand the sentence as a whole, and know how to write all of the kanji in the sentence.
How do you set up your Sub2Srs decks? - Reviewed - 2009-11-17
I'm doing:
Question:
Kanji Sentence
Answer:
Audio
Kana Sentence (if applicable)
Image
Previous and following two lines
I then try to remember the kana, and usually mark "again" if I get one wrong, but mark "hard" when I'm unsure of which of two pronunciations is right and get it wrong. And mark "easy" short lines I can remember almost instantly (I can't bring myself to delete anything, they're my little babies!). Otherwise I mark it "normal".
How do you set up your Sub2Srs decks? - pm215 - 2009-11-17
The setup I've been leaning towards is 'image + audio' on the question and 'everything else' on the answer, because I'm hoping to improve my listening with these decks. I have found that this means you need to be picky about getting the pre-padding audio settings right: several of the premade decks I've tried have had insufficient prepadding and chopped syllables at the start of lines...
How do you set up your Sub2Srs decks? - mezbup - 2009-11-17
Wow lots of very different approaches!
Interested to see that some people are going for writing production or reading recognition as a main focus (not that that's bad at all!). I'm using it firstly for listening skills and then as verbal output training.
I've only done a few cards from the start of my deck to test it out but i've been noticing myself spouting the lines all day whenever they pop into my head! I'm finding it very easy to remember and reproduce how to say them aswell. I think this will really work for me as planned to up my speaking abilities.
@Icecream:
That's a whole lot of different setups you've got there. How's it working out for you? Do you feel your output is increasing?
How do you set up your Sub2Srs decks? - jcdietz03 - 2009-11-17
What do you do if you're making a deck for someone else (i.e. for the shared Subs2SRS decks thread)? Do you put the "identifier" in the question too?
...The English sub I use doesn't have karaoke meanings which causes the matching algorithm to mess up...I think I will have to add them...
How do you set up your Sub2Srs decks? - Ryajinor - 2009-11-17
Front:
Image
Sound
Kanji
Back:
Kana
Meaning
Notes (definitions, context notes, etc.)
That's it. I should probably set up some other types, but... I'm lazy?
How do you set up your Sub2Srs decks? - jcdietz03 - 2009-11-17
Doesn't the sound give away the kana...or at least strongly hint at what they are?
I like Spines11's method the best because it does not give away the answer by playing audio during the question.
How do you set up your Sub2Srs decks? - mezbup - 2009-11-18
jcdietz03 Wrote:Doesn't the sound give away the kana...or at least strongly hint at what they are?That's kinda how I feel about it... I don't see the point if the answer is given away either.
I like Spines11's method the best because it does not give away the answer by playing audio during the question.
How do you set up your Sub2Srs decks? - Nukemarine - 2009-11-18
jcdietz03 Wrote:Doesn't the sound give away the kana...or at least strongly hint at what they are?Yes, but that's not a problem depending on what you're looking for. Myself, with subs2srs I'm simulating: "Listening to the movie" followed up with "Listening to the movie with subtitles" (and reciting it) followed up with "Listening to the movie with subtitles and furigana". It's just one sentence at a time \(^_^)/
I like Spines11's method the best because it does not give away the answer by playing audio during the question.
To me, the "answer" is about understanding what's being said. It's not about having to write out the sentence, or any word in the sentence. Most of the sentences are all words I know, but they're being spoken at a natural pace, with natural tones and dialects. If I can understand the individual sentences of a movie via subs2srs, then it stands to reason I can understand the entire movie when I watch it.
Again, it's just one way of approaching it among many. Like this thread is showing, there's no right way of doing it. There's using it for what's right for you. Just ask yourself what you are looking to accomplish with these cards: vocabulary, grammar, diction, movie comprehension, societal insights, dialects, etc. From there, that'll tell you how to set up the cards.
How do you set up your Sub2Srs decks? - mezbup - 2009-11-18
IceCream Wrote:Ah glad you're enjoying it. I can't wait for ep7 to come out.mezbup Wrote:@Icecream:slowwwly, yeah. Definately the sentences and sentence patterns that i've trained through this method are the most stable in my mind. but, i still need to do loads more - i neglected my deck while getting the core6k vocab down, so it isn't huge yet. mostly when i talk to myself in japanese i babble nonsense and part-sentences still, unless i directly copy the sentences in my deck. But it's good to play around with bits of sentences i learned from doing the production.
That's a whole lot of different setups you've got there. How's it working out for you? Do you feel your output is increasing?
i think it helps a lot with the little grammar bits. something that i would easily recognise in a listening or reading question, i more easily forget if im going to say something, or try to construct it out of a grammar rule and miss out something that would sound more natural. So, this kind of mini-production is great for that, i think.
it also makes my deck a whole lot more fun to go through! And, it's nowhere near as difficult as producing from english. i love it!
Thanks for recommending my girl, i overlooked it, but its actually really nice and sweet.
just started watching stuff with japanese subs, i don't use the reading cards model very often, so hopefully it'll up my reading speed / ability...
I guess another thing one can do is pause on the sentences you want to learn by watching it and make a note to unsuspend those later and pay special attention to them.
How do you set up your Sub2Srs decks? - zazen666 - 2009-11-18
I guess this is as good of a time as any to ask. I am intersted in getting into a Sub2Srs deck at somepoint. I have tried one out once but was not really sure the best way to use it.
If I were to do it, I would test my self from Audio-> comprehesion. Audio is JUST audio and answer side shows japanese, furigana, english.
However the one deck I tried had a lot of "umms" "so desu" "so kana" etc, so I got a bit turned off.
What are you guys doing, going thru a deck front to back, deleting un necessies as you go along? Or are you just using it as a source of sentences?
Deleting as one goes thru a deck seems like a lot of work and Using it as a source of sentences seems a bit random, although authentic.
How do you set up your Sub2Srs decks? - Nii87 - 2009-11-18
I'm following NukeMarine's card setup, because I think the subs really help enforce the connection between listening and reading, or at least seeing what's being said in your head (I vaguely remember reading somewhere how important dictation was).
How do you set up your Sub2Srs decks? - mezbup - 2009-11-18
zazen666 Wrote:I guess this is as good of a time as any to ask. I am intersted in getting into a Sub2Srs deck at somepoint. I have tried one out once but was not really sure the best way to use it.There's various options in sub2srs to weed out cards like that. It's not perfect but it does take most of the grunt work out of that. After that I've found there's no point going through them and deleting what you don't want right after you've made it. Instead just delete unnecesary things as they come up and it's like it takes 0 time at all.
If I were to do it, I would test my self from Audio-> comprehesion. Audio is JUST audio and answer side shows japanese, furigana, english.
However the one deck I tried had a lot of "umms" "so desu" "so kana" etc, so I got a bit turned off.
What are you guys doing, going thru a deck front to back, deleting un necessies as you go along? Or are you just using it as a source of sentences?
Deleting as one goes thru a deck seems like a lot of work and Using it as a source of sentences seems a bit random, although authentic.
Whenever I review it's always super important for me to be able to say the whole sentence from memory as I feel like that's creating the right pathway in my brain for output.
How do you set up your Sub2Srs decks? - zazen666 - 2009-11-18
So if I download a deck, there are options in the premade deck to weed out the cards? Or you mean when creating the deck using the sub2srs software, one needs to weed thoses cards out?
How do you set up your Sub2Srs decks? - mezbup - 2009-11-18
zazen666 Wrote:So if I download a deck, there are options in the premade deck to weed out the cards? Or you mean when creating the deck using the sub2srs software, one needs to weed thoses cards out?Only when creating you're own. Like I said, if you just delete unnecessary cards as they appear it's no hassle really. I prefer creating my decks due to having more control over the process.
How do you set up your Sub2Srs decks? - nest0r - 2009-11-19
Ha, I just took a glance at this thread and some of my own past comments on card setups and self-study strategies. You ever take a step back and look at this stuff like a 'newbie' might? Crazy. ;p