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How to do my SRS reviews - freezes - 2009-10-18
I started out a few days ago with Remembering the Kanji.
And I am combining it with AJATT.
I am currently at 15 kanji a day which I think is a fine number atm.
I have been using the ANKI program with the pre-made kanji list from the book which I could download from the program and I am currently at my 105th kanji. I have been adding the stories to my head and when the kanji come up I try as hard as I can to remember the stories in my head which I usually do, but not always.
But then I came across the "AJATT Quick Reference Guide" and it was written:
"5. Do your SRS reviews (“reps”) -- given a
keyword and story, your task is to write out
the kanji from memory."
So it says that I am going to do the reps given a keyword and a story. Does that mean that I am suppose to have the story written down and then look at the story, and by doing that the kanji is suppose to pop up in my mind? Because until now I have been just putting the story into my mind and not writing it down.
Thank you.
How to do my SRS reviews - bombpersons - 2009-10-18
Don't feel like you have to follow AJATT like gospel. Do whatever works for you.
Personally, I didn't write any stories down, but many people do. Whichever works better for you.
How to do my SRS reviews - TaylorSan - 2009-10-18
Like bombpersons says do what works for you. But that is an unknown when you are just starting out, so here's my personal method, maybe you can find some of it useful.
I personally found it helpful to write the key word, and underneath it draw the kanji, and write down my story in a notebook. After I wrote my stories for the day (15 for you) I took a break. Then I reread them later in the day, and took another break. Then I would go over them, covering everything but the key word with a piece of paper, and tested my memory of the story. The ones I couldn't remember, I scrutinized, perhaps coming up with a better story or variation, or just repeated the story a few times. Take a break. Then I would go over them again, same way, only backwards. This was to test if I could get them with out the order that builds from the primitive. Take a break. After all that I would review them here (or anki for you) . It may sound like a lot of more work than what your doing, but it's not that bad (especially doing 15/day) and it really firms up things in your mind. Another positive that came for this for me, was that when I had to redo RTK (I missed reviews all summer after finishing it), I had the notebooks. Thats what I'm doing now, going back over my RTK notebooks and redoing RTK (it's pretty fast this time).
I reviewed here, and if I found one of my stories wasn't working (repeated fails) I would look through the posted stories. This helped for sure.
My advise for AJATT is learn Kana if you haven't already. No need to wait until you've finished RTK (if that's what he still prescribes). I used smatfm. to drill that while I was doing RTK (there may be better ways to learn it...?). I found having the phonetics a BIG help in hearing/speaking the language (assuming your AJATTing J media).
Also check out the thread for people starting out. All kinds of good ideas there.
How to do my SRS reviews - freezes - 2009-10-18
Thanks to both of you.
I already know all hiragana and katakana and a lot more. Before I started with AJATT I was using Tae Kim's Guide to Japanese and by that I learned katakana, hiragana and some kanji (about 150-200 of them) so I knew some kanji before I stated with AJATT and Remembering the Kanji. I also understand quite a lot of Japanese from watching A LOT of Japanese movies, TV shows, anime, dramas, listening to Japanese before I started out with AJATT and Remembering the Kanji. So I won't really call myself a total newbie when it comes to the Japanese language.
I'll try your method TaylorSan and see if it works for me, which I hope.
How to do my SRS reviews - chamois - 2009-10-18
I'm at about 900 and i'm doing about 30 new kanji a day + ~100reps.
personally, I find that i learn more from my fails if i have my story on the question side of the card. I do all my reps on SURUSU using my phone or my pc. on my phone i cover the part of the screen with the story on it and on the pc i have my firefox window shaped such that only the keyword is visible.
if i'm able to get the kanji with only the keyword i score a 3, 4 or 5. if i require the story i obviously don't know the kanji so it's there for me to study as i SRS and since i've had to use the story to write the kanji it's a fail and i score 2 or less depending on how badly i fail.
I write my own stories into excel and bulk load them into surusu via mnemosyne so i move very quickly through the study phase. i don't make too much effort to learn them as i write them - what sticks sticks, what doesn't stick will be glued by repetition. as such i need to be particularly brutal on the SRS phase - in effect it becomes both a learning and remembering study tool and i routinely complete 100reps a day at 60-70% pass rates.
If i didn't have the stories on the card i'd feel i need to have access to my excel/gdocs file of kanji+stories if i'm going to be doing reps or i'd be wasting time on reps that i fail and can't learn from (without re-studying them i won't have much chance of passing them again next time around). I tried writing all my stories into a notebook as i studied for a while, but that meant double handling when i needed to put them in my srs and also it was a pita to need my notebook everytime i wanted to study...
How to do my SRS reviews - TaylorSan - 2009-10-18
Yeah keep me posted. It has worked for me, I am curious how it will go for you.
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How to do my SRS reviews - drivers99 - 2009-10-20
To answer your original question of whether the story is supposed to be part of the question in AJATT, here is the article "How to Learn Kanji using an SRS."
http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/how-to-learn-kanji-using-an-srs
"Isn’t it cheating to give the mnemonic story in the question? Not really, because you still have to reproduce the entire kanji from memory. ... Anyway, I recommend you do it."
I think a lot of people don't do it that way though, including me, partly because that's not the way this site works, unless they're using anki or some other program. If you're using anki or some program like that, you could put the story in "white on white" text so that it is invisible until you highlight it, that way you can use it as a hint. You can also use a grease monkey script to change the keywords to either something better or to add hints and clarifications to the questions on the site. Despite all those options, I've been doing it just with the standard keyword anyway.
How to do my SRS reviews - jcdietz03 - 2009-10-20
I use Surusu. I do the double work - I put the story in Surusu and a text file.
Don't have the text file? Use Surusu search.
For example, if you don't remember CRASH, the story is right there on the card for you to review. If you don't remember REGIMENT, search for REGIMENT in Surusu, look at the story (re-learn if necessary). If you don't remember BOAR (part of REGIMENT) then search for BOAR. Etc...
If you don't remember a primitive, I think you need the Heisig book. Also, I like looking at stroke orders when I review, so I like to review at a computer.