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SRS sucks! - brandon7s - 2009-10-19
Nukemarine Wrote:Personally, I would think frequency lists gleemed from Dramanote scripts would be the best for putting together quick and dirty "Learn this First" material.Man, I'd be in heaven if someone has done/will do this. I'm soon to start on the RTKLite, after memorizing the kanji learned in grades 1-6, and I'd love to see a frequency list based around jdrama and/or anime series, since that's the native material I will use most.
I'm really dieing to jump into native material stuff.
SRS sucks! - yukamina - 2009-10-19
brandon7s Wrote:Man, I'd be in heaven if someone has done/will do this. I'm soon to start on the RTKLite, after memorizing the kanji learned in grades 1-6, and I'd love to see a frequency list based around jdrama and/or anime series, since that's the native material I will use most.Wait, why are you trying to memorize 1000 kanji(gr1-6) before studying more or less the same 1000 kanji(RTKlite)?
I'm really dieing to jump into native material stuff.
SRS sucks! - Ben_Nielson - 2009-10-19
I wonder as well what percentage of those Kanji outside the list were used in people and place names?
SRS sucks! - Serge - 2009-10-20
Months ago, when I posted in the Personal Achievements thread that I had stopped SRSing (for all the reasons mentioned by Mafried), all I got was some laughs. Good to see there is some healthy debate on it now.
SRS sucks! - brandon7s - 2009-10-21
yukamina Wrote:Wait, why are you trying to memorize 1000 kanji(gr1-6) before studying more or less the same 1000 kanji(RTKlite)?I'm doing grades 1-6 first mostly because that's what I started out learning before I found RTK, plus, I figured that most of them would be common kanji anyways - might as well do them.
I don't plan on learning the same kanji again with the RTKlite list, but I am going to add whatever kanji is on the Lite list that I HAVN'T already learned. Probably not going to be a lot of kanji, and if I were to do everything over again I'd just start out on the RTKLite list. Since I've already gotten near the end of the first 6 grades though, I figure I might as well finish what I started.
SRS sucks! - Codexus - 2009-10-21
Serge Wrote:Months ago, when I posted in the Personal Achievements thread that I had stopped SRSing (for all the reasons mentioned by Mafried), all I got was some laughs.I looked at that thread again and that is simply not true. Nobody laughed, you got some suggestions and at least one people thought it was an interesting idea "worth a debate".
SRS sucks! - Nii87 - 2009-10-21
Thanks Codexus. I was feeling sorry for Serge for awhile there =P
Anyway it seems that SRSing is useful for early stages of learning, when you're trying to jam all this foreign information into your head. Once you get to the point where you can read native material it would hopefully reinforce itself. I'm nowhere near that level though, so I'll keep on SRSin!
SRS sucks! - igordesu - 2009-10-21
Codexus Wrote:Hahaha, I had to laugh at that.Serge Wrote:Months ago, when I posted in the Personal Achievements thread that I had stopped SRSing (for all the reasons mentioned by Mafried), all I got was some laughs.I looked at that thread again and that is simply not true. Nobody laughed, you got some suggestions and at least one people thought it was an interesting idea "worth a debate".
But, on a more serious note, Serge, how would you evaluate your progress since you stopped SRSing?
SRS sucks! - Serge - 2009-10-21
igordesu Wrote:Hahaha, I had to laugh at that.See, just as I told you - laughs! :-) Anyway, progress is hard to evaluate for me at present. I have practically given up all "study" activities and declared myself "fluent". In particular, I've thrown out all second-hand light novels that I had in a pile to be read for vocabulary acquisition. I am now only reading books that I'm really interested in (mostly, non-fiction but also some Ryu Murakami and Mishima).
But, on a more serious note, Serge, how would you evaluate your progress since you stopped SRSing?
Vocabulary acquisition is now a by-product of all that reading: I notice that I just remember about 30% of new words without any need for reinforcement, about 60% - through repeated exposure (that's why books are better than short newspaper articles) and I make a note of about 10% of words that stand out for some reason and then review them for the coming few days (similarly to what Mafried mentioned before). I get rid of those notes once I feel I remember the words and I don't care if I forget them at any later stage - they will be further reinforced one day when I see them in a different context.
I also wrote somewhere that I now only look up words that come up more than once or that are somehow significant to the story or those that arouse my curiousity. Everything else gets ignored. At my level and with complex texts that I'm reading, that still gives me 95-98% comprehension that I'm perfectly happy with.
But once again, I think the most important point is that now I'm reading just for information and enjoyment and no longer see books as fields for vocabulary mining.
SRS sucks! - mistamark - 2009-10-21
Nukemarine Wrote:Personally, I would think frequency lists gleemed from Dramanote scripts would be the best for putting together quick and dirty "Learn this First" material.This sounds like the best idea I've ever heard
SRS sucks! - mezbup - 2009-10-22
Serge Wrote:Anyone for a fluency debate? /trolling.igordesu Wrote:Hahaha, I had to laugh at that.I have practically given up all "study" activities and declared myself "fluent".
But, on a more serious note, Serge, how would you evaluate your progress since you stopped SRSing?
SRS sucks! - igordesu - 2009-10-22
Serge Wrote:Nice. Thank you so much for your advice. I appreciate it very muchigordesu Wrote:Hahaha, I had to laugh at that.See, just as I told you - laughs! :-) Anyway, progress is hard to evaluate for me at present. I have practically given up all "study" activities and declared myself "fluent". In particular, I've thrown out all second-hand light novels that I had in a pile to be read for vocabulary acquisition. I am now only reading books that I'm really interested in (mostly, non-fiction but also some Ryu Murakami and Mishima).
But, on a more serious note, Serge, how would you evaluate your progress since you stopped SRSing?
Vocabulary acquisition is now a by-product of all that reading: I notice that I just remember about 30% of new words without any need for reinforcement, about 60% - through repeated exposure (that's why books are better than short newspaper articles) and I make a note of about 10% of words that stand out for some reason and then review them for the coming few days (similarly to what Mafried mentioned before). I get rid of those notes once I feel I remember the words and I don't care if I forget them at any later stage - they will be further reinforced one day when I see them in a different context.
I also wrote somewhere that I now only look up words that come up more than once or that are somehow significant to the story or those that arouse my curiousity. Everything else gets ignored. At my level and with complex texts that I'm reading, that still gives me 95-98% comprehension that I'm perfectly happy with.
But once again, I think the most important point is that now I'm reading just for information and enjoyment and no longer see books as fields for vocabulary mining.
