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The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - TheTrueBlue - 2009-07-30
I posted this "Invisible Sensei" video in the bad days thread, but I can't easily discern what the sensei is saying at 0:05 to 0:07.
Is he saying 授業中なにあってんだ！ （？）
If so, what kanji would the "あってん" use and is it used here like "為る”?
And does anyone know how to add 為る to する conversion in Windows XP Japanese IME? The 漢字 ”為” isn't a default option.
お願いいたします
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - magamo - 2009-07-30
He's saying, "授業中に何読んでんだ！"
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - TheTrueBlue - 2009-07-30
わあ！ 早い！ ありがとうmagamoさん！
しかし！
Does anyone know how to add 為る to する conversion in Windows XP Japanese IME? The 漢字 ”為” isn't a default option.
Also when people say なにあってんだよ？ or なにしってんの？ What kanji would those be?
お願いいたします
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - TheTrueBlue - 2009-07-30
Also in the
video, at the end when the boy says
居たんですか？ and the teacher replies 居たよ！
Is it a pun on
痛んですか？ 痛よ！
（？）
お願いいたします
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - magamo - 2009-07-30
TheTrueBlue Wrote:Also when people say なにあってんだよ？ or なにしってんの？ What kanji would those be?Do you mean なにやってんだよ？ and "なにしてんの？" If that's the case, the former is often rhetorical and used when you mean "You should be able to do it better," "What the hell are you doing?!," etc. The latter can be rhetorical too, but not as often. I think usually it's just a simple question. Also, the former is more masculine.
If you mean "何会ってんだよ？" and "何知ってんの？," then the former is again often rhetorical and sounds masculine. I think this 何 is more like "Why" if said as a rhetorical question. The latter probably is a simple question "What do you know?" It's unlikely rhetorical.
All these four sentences are informal.
As for the possible pun, I didn't take it that way. But who knows? The script writer might have intended a pun.
I don't use Windows IME, but there should be a user control or preference that allows you to customize conversion. する isn't usually written as 為る, though. Also, ATOK ftw.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - TheTrueBlue - 2009-07-30
ありがとうmagamoさん。
So
magamo Wrote:Do you mean なにやってんだよ？ and "なにしてんの？"Those sentences would not have kanji, but instead always be kana?
If the 居たんだ ＝ 痛んだ was indeed supposed to be a pun, it'd be considered a fairly unfunny and uninspired joke, right? The kind of joke that would prompt a face-fault?
Also in:
When Shogun-Sensei is in the room and the girl raises her head to answer, what is he saying to her to scold her? The video kind of skips at that part.
And 昼メロ先生 refers to Noontime メロメロ kinds of romantic drama shows right? Is 昼メロ a proper and common name for such shows? Is there such a term for the after midnight anime that keeps people up at night?
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - magamo - 2009-07-30
TheTrueBlue Wrote:なに is often in kanji so it reads 何, but verbs like やる and する are usually in hiragana. In this case, all kana doesn't look odd.magamo Wrote:Do you mean なにやってんだよ？ and "なにしてんの？"Those sentences would not have kanji, but instead always be kana?
TheTrueBlue Wrote:If the 居たんだ ＝ 痛んだ was indeed supposed to be a pun, it'd be considered a fairly unfunny and uninspired joke, right? The kind of joke that would prompt a face-fault?I don't think it's a nice joke if it is actually a pun. I doubt it was intended. But the entire ad is eccentric, so...
TheTrueBlue Wrote:Also in:He's saying, "頭が高い！" The reading is ずがたかい. It's literal meaning is "You are haughty/arrogant." It's somewhat old/obsolete (hence Shogun-Sensei uses). If you use it in everyday conversations, it can sound humorous.
When Shogun-Sensei is in the room and the girl raises her head to answer, what is he saying to her to scold her? The video kind of skips at that part.
TheTrueBlue Wrote:And 昼メロ先生 refers to Noontime メロメロ kinds of romantic drama shows right? Is 昼メロ a proper and common name for such shows? Is there such a term for the after midnight anime that keeps people up at night?昼メロ is probably 昼 + メロドラマ. 昼メロ is the extreme, romantic, melodramatic kind of soap opera, I think. Soap operas are also called 昼ドラ, and in my opinion this word is broader in meaning than 昼メロ. These two words are fairly common, but your dictionary may not have entries for them.
The anime shows broadcast late at night are called 深夜アニメ (しんやあにめ). This word has a connotation of オタク.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - albion - 2009-07-30
I thought I'd have a go transcribing those ads, but though I think got most of them I didn't get some of the ツッパリ先生, 激安先生 and 校長 bits, and some of the ending lines.
３年１組 革ジャン先生
革ジャン先生「IT…IS…BABY！」
女子「受験、間に合うかな」
「もうすぐ夏だぜ！ 新ファンタ！」
*
３年C組み ドラゴン先生
ドラゴン先生「チョアー、ウアーッ！ はい、ここテストに出ます」
男子「やってらんねえ」
「新学期だよ！ 新ファンタ・グレープフルーツ出た！」
*
３年D組み 激安先生
激安先生「？？？」
男子「六割引だったよ」
「夏休みだよ！ 新ファンタ・ピーチ出た！」
*
３年F組み DJ先生
DJ先生「ツギ、ツギ、次の問題は、ヤマ、ヤマ、山下さん！」
山下「３Xです」
DJ先生「…違います」
山下「傷つくわ」
「ファンタ・スウィーティー出た！」
*
３年G組み 将軍先生
将軍先生「従業じゃ！ この問題を分かる者はおるか！ おらんのか！」
女子「はい」
将軍先生「頭が高い！」
女子「どうすりゃいいのよ」
「すっきりさっぱりファンタ！」
*
３年H組み 昼メロ先生
昼メロ先生「芭蕉の句には――」
愛人「笹子！」
昼メロ先生「いまさら何よ！」
愛人「俺が悪かった」
昼メロ先生「馬鹿！ 寂しかった！」
昼メロ母「その泥棒猫」
昼メロ先生「お母さま！」
男子「従業しろよ」
「？？ファンタ・すももだ！」
*
３年J組み ツッパリ先生
ツッパリ先生「？？？」
男子「読めません」
ツッパリ先生「と・ろ・ぴ・か・る・フルーツだぁー！」
男子「そんな無茶な」
「ファンタ！ 春なのに！ トロピカルフルーツ！」
*
３年S組み 黒ひげ先生
黒ひげ先生「掃除当番です」
男子「そんなのありかよ」
「すっきり？？？ファンタ！」
*
夏休みだよ！ 校長先生
ツッパリ先生「校長の話だッ！」
校長先生「明日から夏休み……の、筈でしたが！！ 遅刻やお眠りでロスタイムがあるので、？？？」
男子女子「もうイヤ」
「ファンタ・さっぱりピーチ出た！」
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - magamo - 2009-07-30
@albion
I filled in the blanks and made several corrections:
３年１組 -> ３年Ａ組
激安先生「？？？」-> 「イチキュッパのビデオデッキが２割引。ボーナス一括払いで５％オフ。今ならポイント還元が１３％がついて、さて、いくら！」
将軍先生「この問題を分かる者はおるか！」-> 「この問題が分かる者はおるか！」
昼メロ母「その泥棒猫」 -> 「この泥棒猫」
「？？ファンタ・すももだ！」-> 「夏のファンタ・すもも出た！」(Note だ -> 出た.)
ツッパリ先生「？？？」-> 「漢字テストだ、コラァ！横田！三年だったら読めんだろこんぐらい！」
「すっきり？？？ファンタ！」-> 「すっきりしたーい、ファンタ！」
校長先生「遅刻やお眠りでロスタイムがあるので、？？？」->「遅刻や居眠りでロスタイムがあるので、一学期を続行します！」(Note お眠り -> 居眠り)
Hope this helps.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - albion - 2009-07-30
Ah, some of those were careless mistakes like 「その泥棒猫」「３年１組」, but the rest seem obvious when it's written in front of you (though that's probably why). Thanks.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - plumage - 2009-07-30
Quickie. I find that without really knowing a lot of Japanese, things like synonyms can become easy to trip on. Because what seem like synonyms may have shades of meaning dictionaries or simple sentences don't convey.
Today's case: おう[王] ･ おうじゃ[王者]
are these interchangeable? I'm sure I have others in my deck, it just occured to me that here might be a good place to ask some of these questions.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - Rohrer - 2009-07-30
From the manga セブンゴースト, I am having trouble with the last part of this sentence:
まだ完全に信用されてはおらんな。
まだかんぜんにしんようされてはおらんな。
It is translated as "He still doesn't trust you completely."
Is おらん the contracted negative form of おる, which is supposed to be the humble form of いる, and then な as expecting agreement or emphasis? If so, why is the humble form used here?
Thank you for any help.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - TheTrueBlue - 2009-07-30
The scene is a rich heiress is unwillingly breaking up with her commoner boyfriend, I can't tell what exactly he's saying.
But my 日本語 auditory intuition catches something along the lines of: "Oh, so this was just another fling by the spoiled young princess huh?" And she says: "If you believe that, then this will be easier than I thought..."
The mp３ audio clip is approx. 500 KB and runs 33 seconds, although he only has about 2 lines.
http://www.geocities.com/fotsbluetaco/Movie_0001.mp3
お願いいたします
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - magamo - 2009-07-31
plumage Wrote:Quickie. I find that without really knowing a lot of Japanese, things like synonyms can become easy to trip on. Because what seem like synonyms may have shades of meaning dictionaries or simple sentences don't convey.Subtle differences between synonyms are one of the most difficult things to learn, so I don't think my post is going to be a simple answer to a "quickie." But I'll try my best to keep it simple and to the point.
Today's case: おう[王] ･ おうじゃ[王者]
are these interchangeable? I'm sure I have others in my deck, it just occured to me that here might be a good place to ask some of these questions.
There is a difference in nuance between 王 and 王者, and hence I can't say they're always interchangeable. But a lot of the time, swapping them doesn't change the general meaning of a sentence much if at all. I think 王者 often carries a positive connotation, and it seems it is preferred when the speaker respects the king in some way. For example, I might say Kim Jong-il is 王 of North Korea, but I'd never refer to him as 王者.
One of definite cases where you can't replace one with the other is when you refer to a member of Japanese royalty. I forget the details, but there is a strict rule as to who you can refer to as 王. And you don't use 王者 when it comes to Japanese royalty.
In some fixed phrases one is preferred over the other. For example, 百獣の王 (ひゃくじゅうのおう, kind of a preamble you put before ライオン (lion)), 三冠王 (triple crown), etc. sound more idiomatic than XXX王者, though I don't say they're wrong. Also, XXX界の王者 (XXXかいのおうじゃ, the king of XXX) sounds more natural than XXX界の王. So you might want to say 小説界の王者 when you're talking about the best novel (or its author).
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - magamo - 2009-07-31
Rohrer Wrote:From the manga セブンゴースト, I am having trouble with the last part of this sentence:おる isn't the humble form of いる per se. If anything, it could sound arrogant, haughty, pompous, etc. The sentence you gave is a good example. I don't read セブンゴースト, but reading the sentence, I got an impression that the speaker is of high rank or older than others.
まだ完全に信用されてはおらんな。
まだかんぜんにしんようされてはおらんな。
It is translated as "He still doesn't trust you completely."
Is おらん the contracted negative form of おる, which is supposed to be the humble form of いる, and then な as expecting agreement or emphasis? If so, why is the humble form used here?
If your teacher said it was a humble form, then most likely he or she was talking about おります, おられます, おられる, or something along those lines. They're part of honorifics and have nothing to do with the sentence in your post. Technically the 連用形中止法 (grammar jargon you don't need to learn) of おる is also less pompous and could sound slightly humble. Here is an in-a-nutshell rule:
おる with ます or れる -> honorific, and hence humble,
verb+ており、+ another clause -> neutral, (Note that おり、is the end of one clause and that you put the Japanese comma.)
other おる -> the speaker should be of higher rank, an elder person, etc. Otherwise it sounds arrogant, pompous etc.
な has tons of usages, but if it's from manga, probably you can get its rough meaning from the context.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - magamo - 2009-07-31
TheTrueBlue Wrote:The scene is a rich heiress is unwillingly breaking up with her commoner boyfriend, I can't tell what exactly he's saying.Guy: 別れる？どういうことだ？お嬢様の退屈しのぎの遊び相手の一人だったってことか。
But my 日本語 auditory intuition catches something along the lines of: "Oh, so this was just another fling by the spoiled young princess huh?" And she says: "If you believe that, then this will be easier than I thought..."
The mp３ audio clip is approx. 500 KB and runs 33 seconds, although he only has about 2 lines.
http://www.geocities.com/fotsbluetaco/Movie_0001.mp3
お願いいたします
Heiress: そう思いたかったら、思ってもらった方がいい。
Kana version:
Guy: わかれる？どういうことだ？おじょうさまのたいくつしのぎのあそびあいてのひとりだったってことか。
Heiress: そうおもいたかったら、おもってもらったほうがいい。
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - Rohrer - 2009-07-31
Thanks Magamo, yes the speaker is of higher rank than the listener, a high ranking military official talking to a subordinate. So he is using おる rather than いる because of his status rather than anything having to do with honorific language. Does that still make him sound arrogant etc. or is this just normal because of his higher social standing?
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - magamo - 2009-07-31
Rohrer Wrote:Thanks Magamo, yes the speaker is of higher rank than the listener, a high ranking military official talking to a subordinate. So he is using おる rather than いる because of his status rather than anything having to do with honorific language. Does that still make him sound arrogant etc. or is this just normal because of his higher social standing?Using おる means the speaker thinks he's superior in some way. In this case, he is so it's not necessarily arrogant. Some may still take it negatively, but it depends. I'm guessing it doesn't sound arrogant in a military context. I don't like high school teachers who always use おる, but it may just be me. Personally I don't use that kind of grammar unless I'm trying to say something in a humorous way.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - plumage - 2009-07-31
Thanks magamo. As expected, it's complicated. The places where I extracted both from are simple sentences, which makes whatever subtlety involved even less discernible than your examples.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - avparker - 2009-07-31
From the 時をかける少女 subs2srs anki deck, the scene where Makoto is discussing with her Aunt about how great jumping through time is. The Aunt says:
Quote:真琴がいい目見てる分 悪い目を見てる人がいるんじゃないの？The translation in the deck (source unknown) give this as
まことがいいめみてるぶん わるいめをみてるひとがいるんじゃないの？
Quote:"But for all the good fortune you've had, there are just as many with ill fortune."Is that translation accurate?
When I saw this, I thought it was something like
Quote:"You may look at it as a good thing, but aren't there people who would look at it as a bad thing."But that was just a complete guess based on the context from the movie.
I haven't seen "目(を)見る” before (and a quick search didn't turn up anything).
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - QuackingShoe - 2009-07-31
'目' in in this sort of context refers to more of an experience, so that 目を見る really just means to experience something. Really common use with this meaning is '目に遭う,' though this is more specifically negative, what with that word and all.
The translation isn't literal, but it's 'accurate'.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - plumage - 2009-07-31
synonyms pt.2 (of course the alternate meanings sometimes differentiate them). In this case both seemed to suggest the base meaning of "secret."
ひみつ[秘密] ・ ひけつ[秘訣]
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - Jarvik7 - 2009-07-31
秘訣：何か物事をやり遂げる上での、特別にいい方法
秘密：隠して人に知らせないこと
Himitsu: secret
Hiketsu: tip, trick
The meanings aren't as similar as it would appear. Alternate meanings also don't overlap according to their definitions.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - Akira117 - 2009-08-01
In Tae Kims guide to Japanese Sentences is this extra kana an error or what?
This is the Q/A: "誰が学生？／ジムが学生。"
And this is the pronunciation for it: "だれががくせい？／ジムはがくせい。"
On the answer part is the "は" suppose to be in there?
Thanks!
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - magamo - 2009-08-01
@Akira117
If you're referring to the spreadsheet, it seems to be a typo. The は should be が so the reading of the second sentence is "ジムががくせい."