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The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - Vempele - 2014-11-18
Quote:Within a clause modifying a noun like this, が and の can be used interchangeably.Unless the next word is a noun, because の would mark possession. Corollary: の clauses tend to be short.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - anotherjohn - 2014-11-18
I knew about the が -> の thing, and since Tae Kim is the only grammar guide I've ever read, it must have been in there. Might be worth a browse
My nascent intuition suggests to me that 強い風時 would have to be 強い風の時 but I'm far from certain about that.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - Vempele - 2014-11-18
You evidently read this thread, you could have learned it here.
His lesson on clauses doesn't mention it... then again, he only introduces の in the next lesson!
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - drdunlap - 2014-11-18
Vempele Wrote:True, but I was only addressing the replacing of が with の. Guess I should have worded it that way.Quote:Within a clause modifying a noun like this, が and の can be used interchangeably.Unless the next word is a noun, because の would mark possession. Corollary: の clauses tend to be short.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - yudantaiteki - 2014-11-18
Learning の as possession is a bad idea; that's one function of の but 日本人の友達 is not possession.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - Vempele - 2014-11-18
drdunlap Wrote:True, but I was only addressing the replacing of が with の. Guess I should have worded it that way.So was I: my point was that you can't replace が with の if it would change the meaning, and that's the case if and only if the next word is a noun. Guess I should have worded it that way (and avoided referencing any specific function of の).
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - drdunlap - 2014-11-18
Oh. Right. Yes. Haha.
Things I learned today: I should really stop trying to explain Japanese.
(Or just get better at it. I guess.)
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - john555 - 2014-11-18
Thanks for your help.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - john555 - 2014-11-18
Quick question: my Japanese reader claims that variations of "kuru" (to come) such as konai, kita etc. are most often written in all kana, as opposed to: 来ない、来た etc. So supposedly the Japanese prefer to write: こない、きた。
True or false? Thanks.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - jourukun - 2014-11-18
What is the difference between the particles ば and と when meaning 'if'?
It seems that ば is used with a Vcond (verb conditional form) only. If so, then why not just use Vtara (verb tara form)?
On the other hand, と seems to be used for adjectives and Vdic (verb dictionary form). Can it also be used for nouns?
Lastly, where does もし come in to all of this? I know it is used at the beginning of a sentence unlike a particle, but do verbs need to take the Vcond form and how does it work with nouns/adjectives?
Sorry for the loaded question. This is something that is really hindering me as I have 3 separate books for referencing particles, sentence patterns for verbs, and sentence patterns for adjectives/adverbs.
Thank you in advance!
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - RandomQuotes - 2014-11-19
john555 Wrote:Quick question: my Japanese reader claims that variations of "kuru" (to come) such as konai, kita etc. are most often written in all kana, as opposed to: 来ない、来た etc. So supposedly the Japanese prefer to write: こない、きた。False. The kanji is extremely common when used as a verb by itself.
True or false? Thanks.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - frosty_rain - 2014-11-19
Hey guys, quick question.
I came across this sentence in Anki: 雨が降っているから、出かけるのはやめます。The translation they give is, "I will not go out, because it’s raining."
I know that [雨が降っているから] means, "because it is raining."
I know that [出] means, "to go out."
Denshi Jisho tells me that [かける] means "to fly or to run", and it tells me that [やめます] means "to cease."
But I don't get how [出かけるのはやめます] means, "I will not go out." I think mostly because I'm fuzzy as to how the の and は particles function in that sentence, what exactly かける means, why やめます is even there and why they didn't just use the negative form of 出 to mean, "not go out."
Thanks
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - learningkanji - 2014-11-19
出かける is a single verb meaning to go out. の makes going out a noun. So it basically means as for the thing of going out, will stop.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - RandomQuotes - 2014-11-19
jourukun Wrote:What is the difference between the particles ば and と when meaning 'if'?Japanese conditionals all express shades of meaning that don't exist in English. There isn't one particular conditional that equates exactly to 'if".
It seems that ば is used with a Vcond (verb conditional form) only. If so, then why not just use Vtara (verb tara form)?
On the other hand, と seems to be used for adjectives and Vdic (verb dictionary form). Can it also be used for nouns?
Lastly, where does もし come in to all of this? I know it is used at the beginning of a sentence unlike a particle, but do verbs need to take the Vcond form and how does it work with nouns/adjectives?
Sorry for the loaded question. This is something that is really hindering me as I have 3 separate books for referencing particles, sentence patterns for verbs, and sentence patterns for adjectives/adverbs.
Thank you in advance!
The first answer here is a pretty good explanation, much better than I could give anyhow.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - john555 - 2014-11-19
Hi, what does the "to" mean after "minasan" in this sentence:
今日は皆さんと面白かった事、悲しかった事、恐ろしかった事、嬉しかった事の話をしたいと思って集まって貰ったのです。
Kyoo wa minasan to omosirokatta koto, kanasikatta koto, osorosikatta koto, uresikatta koto no hanasi o sitai to omotte atumatte moratta no desu.
Today, I have brought you all together because I want all of us to tell stories about something that was interesting, something that was sad, something frightening, and something happy.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - Inny Jan - 2014-11-19
john555 Wrote:Hi, what does the "to" meanwith
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - john555 - 2014-11-19
Inny Jan Wrote:But that doesn't make sense. What is the purpose of the "to"? Or maybe it's just a misprint.john555 Wrote:Hi, what does the "to" meanwith
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - yudantaiteki - 2014-11-19
It means "with", it connects to the "hanasi o sitai".
frosty_rain:
Quote:I know that [出] means, "to go out."This is part of the problem in your parsing -- 出 has no meaning by itself; it's not a stand-alone word. 出る means "to go out", but since the the next thing is not る but かける, that leads to the parsing of 出かける as a word.
Quote:Denshi Jisho tells me that [かける] means "to fly or to run", and it tells me that [やめます] means "to cease."やめます here is more like "give up [on doing something]".
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - Inny Jan - 2014-11-20
john555 Wrote:minasan to ... koto no hanasi o sitaiwith all-of-you (I) want-to-do talking about things...
Or, like yudan said:
john555 Wrote:minasan to ... hanasi o sitaiwith all-of-you (I) want-to-do talking...
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - john555 - 2014-11-20
Inny Jan Wrote:Thanks everyone. That makes sense now.john555 Wrote:minasan to ... koto no hanasi o sitaiwith all-of-you (I) want-to-do talking about things...
Or, like yudan said:
john555 Wrote:minasan to ... hanasi o sitaiwith all-of-you (I) want-to-do talking...
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - RandomQuotes - 2014-11-20
I've actually got a question.
「智を増す者は悲しみを増す」などと申しますが、こと酒に関しては、このようなことはありません。酒に対する知的好奇心は人生を豊かにしてくれます。」
I don't need a translation, but for the life of me I can't figure out what the こと in こと酒 is doing here. My instinct is that it's functioning like 得に or 各, but I'm not entirely sure.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - yudantaiteki - 2014-11-20
My first guess is 異, like 異国. But that's just a guess, it doesn't really seem to make sense there, and google isn't much help with the phrase. What's the subject of this piece?
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - RandomQuotes - 2014-11-20
Its the preface to a book I picked up in the local combini, 「 お酒入門」. Part of the 「スプライズGuide入門書シリーズ」。 It's basically, one of those how do you taste wine, what flavors do you look for in shochu type books.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - vileru - 2014-11-20
I've never seen that before. I'm assuming it's a typo and they meant to say 酒のこと.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - Vempele - 2014-11-20
No, I've seen it too, in Dies Irae. Will post here the next time I see it.