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The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - vix86 - 2012-02-16
vix86 Wrote:From core6k:Rebumping my prior question and adding another.
京都から中継で放送しています。 - "[We're] broadcasting from Kyoto."
is the translation, but wouldn't "[We're] relaying the broadcast from Kyoto." be slightly better or "We're rebroadcasting from Kyoto."
彼は何しろよくしゃべります。
Is the しろ in 何しろ some how related to 知ろう?
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - yudantaiteki - 2012-02-16
No, it's actually the imperative of suru, although this is a fixed phrase so it doesn't really matter. Look up 何しろ as a whole in dictionaries and you should find a lot of example sentences.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - WronglyPartitioned - 2012-02-16
You will also hear 何せよ sometimes. I believe Japanese people call this use of the imperative ”放任用法”.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - SomeCallMeChris - 2012-02-16
vix86 Wrote:京都から中継で放送しています。 - "[We're] broadcasting from Kyoto."It would be more technically accurate, but not better. In English, we don't normally worry about the technicalities of relaying a broadcast.
is the translation, but wouldn't "[We're] relaying the broadcast from Kyoto." be slightly better or "We're rebroadcasting from Kyoto."
"We're broadcasting live from Kyoto" might be more complete since 中継 usually refers to transmitting a signal from on-the-spot to the station and then broadcasting it ... but there's no context to guarantee that it's a live broadcast and there might be other reasons to relay a signal.
In full context your natural translation would probably be 'And now bringing you (subject matter) from Kyoto is (introduction for television personality) ...' but for obvious reasons you can't make that translation without some of the neighboring sentences in the equivalent Japanese.
'rebroadcast' is a terrible translation in cases like this, IMO - to the average English speaker unused to hearing relays and rebroadcasting explicitly described, that's going to sound like a reference to replaying earlier recorded content.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - vix86 - 2012-02-16
yudantaiteki Wrote:No, it's actually the imperative of suru, although this is a fixed phrase so it doesn't really matter. Look up 何しろ as a whole in dictionaries and you should find a lot of example sentences.Ah okay. Just been struggling with these small words which don't hold a concrete semantic meaning. Stuff like 何しろ、いずれ、とっさに、かつて、かって. Just don't want to stick, had hoped there might be some sort of mnemonic I might be able to create had it been 知るろう oh well.
SomeCallMeChris Wrote:It would be more technically accurate, but not better. In English, we don't normally worry about the technicalities of relaying a broadcast.Ah this makes a bit of sense. It just seemed weird to have 2 words that can basically mean "broadcast" in the same sentence. 中継 seems to get used a lot with 'relay' though (based on checking ALC).
So would you say the sentence is kind of ambiguous without more context to know what they mean by 中継で放送している？
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - SomeCallMeChris - 2012-02-16
vix86 Wrote:So would you say the sentence is kind of ambiguous without more context to know what they mean by 中継で放送している？Well... yes and no... it -does- literally mean 'We are relaying this from Kyoto to our station's broadcast towers and broadcasting from there to you.' The amount of detail in that statement that it makes sense to put into explicit words when you translate it depends on context.
(Well, technically, the 'we/our' depends on context, the sentence could describe somebody else's show.)
I also think the example sentence is most likely to occur at the beginning of an on-location live segment and would assume that about it.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - vix86 - 2012-02-17
Alright, gotcha. Thanks.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - HonyakuJoshua - 2012-02-17
Can anyone tell me if I have the following any where near right? I don't know if 有効かつ頑健なものを goes to 生成する but I think it does.
中国語等の特定の言語の文法であって、限定されたコーパスにおいて機械翻訳に対し有効かつ頑健なものを、複雑な言語学的分析を必要とすることなく生成する装置を提供する。
within grammars of designated languages such as Mandarin, supplies a device that forms efficient and robust things with regards to machine translation within limited corpuses regardless of whether complex linguistic analysis is necessary
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - vix86 - 2012-02-17
HonyakuJoshua Wrote:Can anyone tell me if I have the following any where near right? I don't know if 有効かつ頑健なものを goes to 生成する but I think it does.This brings up a question I had never thought of. Is there such thing as "run-on sentences" in Japanese?
中国語等の特定の言語の文法であって、限定されたコーパスにおいて機械翻訳に対し有効かつ頑健なものを、複雑な言語学的分析を必要とすることなく生成する装置を提供する。
within grammars of designated languages such as Mandarin, supplies a device that forms efficient and robust things with regards to machine translation within limited corpuses regardless of whether complex linguistic analysis is necessary
EDIT: And if so what do they call them.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - pudding cat - 2012-02-17
HonyakuJoshua Wrote:Can anyone tell me if I have the following any where near right? I don't know if 有効かつ頑健なものを goes to 生成する but I think it does.does the もの refer to a translation?
中国語等の特定の言語の文法であって、限定されたコーパスにおいて機械翻訳に対し有効かつ頑健なものを、複雑な言語学的分析を必要とすることなく生成する装置を提供する。
within grammars of designated languages such as Mandarin, supplies a device that forms efficient and robust things with regards to machine translation within limited corpuses regardless of whether complex linguistic analysis is necessary
we will provide a device that generates a valid and robust translation that does not require complex linguistic analysis.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - yudantaiteki - 2012-02-17
No, it's ものを (although, while)
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - nadiatims - 2012-02-17
中国語等の特定の言語の文法であって、限定されたコーパスにおいて機械翻訳に対し有効かつ頑健なものを、複雑な言語学的分析を必要とすることなく生成する装置を提供する。
translates to something like this.
(We) provide a device that, within the limited corpus and grammar of certain languages such as chinese, produces valid and robust output for machine translation without the need for complicated grammatical analysis.
edit: forgot to mention. pretty sure ものを is connecting to 生成する here. Here もの is the thing (output) produced by the device. And 対し here is for. I'm guessing this is some component, algorithm, or program for use in machine translation.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - yudantaiteki - 2012-02-17
Yeah, you might be right -- the patent stuff is too boring and complicated for me to spend much time on, so I should probably just avoid the questions like I have been.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - HonyakuJoshua - 2012-02-17
nadiatims Wrote:中国語等の特定の言語の文法であって、限定されたコーパスにおいて機械翻訳に対し有効かつ頑健なものを、複雑な言語学的分析を必要とすることなく生成する装置を提供する。Thanks for the edit! I am really glad I managed to get the mono o bit right even though I messed up hitsuyotosurukotonaku.
translates to something like this.
(We) provide a device that, within the limited corpus and grammar of certain languages such as chinese, produces valid and robust output for machine translation without the need for complicated grammatical analysis.
edit: forgot to mention. pretty sure ものを is connecting to 生成する here. Here もの is the thing (output) produced by the device. And 対し here is for. I'm guessing this is some component, algorithm, or program for use in machine translation.
Thanks 4 replying Pudding cat!
Yudantaiteki: I appreciate I am posting boring material but I do appreciate it when people reply - The comma after mono o led me to think it wasn't "although" and went to a distant verb.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - Lionel - 2012-02-17
What is the difference between 服･服装・衣服・衣類･衣装･衣料? And maybe also 洋服 (they seem to use it, even if there is no need to contrast to 和服, right?)
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - blackbrich - 2012-02-17
This has been bothering me for a while... This is just a random definition but...
おもい‐どおり〔おもひどほり〕【思い通り】
［名・形動］思っていたとおりになること。また、そのさま。「世の中は―にならないものだ」
Link
Does そのさま mean something or is it just the さま. I remember seeing stuff like that in definitions for a while and have always just said ***** it.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - yudantaiteki - 2012-02-17
HonyakuJoshua Wrote:Yudantaiteki: I appreciate I am posting boring material but I do appreciate it when people reply - The comma after mono o led me to think it wasn't "although" and went to a distant verb.That wasn't intended as an insult, I just meant that my own lack of interest in the material was going to make it more likely that I made errors like that one above.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - SomeCallMeChris - 2012-02-17
blackbrich Wrote:Does そのさま mean something or is it just the さま. I remember seeing stuff like that in definitions for a while and have always just said ***** it.その refers to the original noun phrase to define the word, and さま is just being used in it's regular noun sense, that is,
１ 物事や人のありさま。ようす。状態。
また、そのさま。→ 'Or it may mean, the signs, indications or appearance of that.'
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - HonyakuJoshua - 2012-02-17
blackbrich Wrote:This has been bothering me for a while... This is just a random definition but...I would translate it as this state.
おもい‐どおり〔おもひどほり〕【思い通り】
［名・形動］思っていたとおりになること。また、そのさま。「世の中は―にならないものだ」
Link
Does そのさま mean something or is it just the さま. I remember seeing stuff like that in definitions for a while and have always just said ***** it.
@Lionel that is a very good question = do you mind if I post it on Chie bukuro?
@Yudantaiteki I didn't see it as an insult - I always like your posts and think you add a lot to the forum.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - blackbrich - 2012-02-18
Thanks for that explanation, its been bugging me for a while.
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - kudokupo - 2012-02-18
しかし単なる鈍い人間の女であった私は、発情をよしとした。
I don't understand 「よしとした」 よし? What word is being used there?
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - SomeCallMeChris - 2012-02-19
kudokupo Wrote:しかし単なる鈍い人間の女であった私は、発情をよしとした。The first one in the dictionary?
I don't understand 「よしとした」 よし? What word is being used there?
http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/dsearch?p=%E3%82%88%E3%81%97&enc=UTF-8&stype=0&dtype=3
It means she chooses to prefer the sexual excitement over the wiser course of fleeing for her life as the hypothetical her-as-animal in the previous sentence would have done, if this is the sentence from ミイラ
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - WronglyPartitioned - 2012-02-19
I thought 止しとした at first, but after some Googling around for the phrase, I'm inclined to agree with Chris.
Quote:"—「２ちゃんねる」に代表されるように匿名性をよしとしたことが、健全なネット議論の場の育成を阻害してしまったという意見もよく聞きます。
作為がなく、自然のままであること。「無為」「自然」は共に「老子」にみられる語で、老子は、ことさらに知や欲をはたらかせず、自然に生きることをよしとした。
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - gibosi - 2012-02-20
From 吉本ばなな・つぐみ
ひものやさざえ？？？
父は明日、きっとひものやさざえを持ちきれないほど抱えて新幹線に乗るのだろう。
He is leaving a beach resort area and heading back to Tokyo. But I have no idea what he is carrying...
The "What's this word/phrase?" thread - SomeCallMeChris - 2012-02-20
ひもの や さざえ
Dried fish and shellfish
Apparently these shellfish
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbinidae