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JLPT 1 in 3 months? - Jarvik7 - 2009-09-06
I attempted to read the page to answer your question, but the ridiculous amount of furigana gave me an instant headache. Someone who needs that much furigana isn't going to know the words or grammar in the document anyways so why even bother...
JLPT 1 in 3 months? - Evil_Dragon - 2009-09-06
Thankfully, the pdf file shneen posted has no furigana.
JLPT 1 in 3 months? - travis - 2009-09-06
Jarvik7 Wrote:I attempted to read the page to answer your question, but the ridiculous amount of furigana gave me an instant headache. Someone who needs that much furigana isn't going to know the words or grammar in the document anyways so why even bother...Try view it in IE. None of the other browsers support the ruby tag. There is a plugin for Firefox which fixes this.
JLPT 1 in 3 months? - Jarvik7 - 2009-09-06
I don't run windows and wouldn't use IE even if I did
JLPT 1 in 3 months? - travis - 2009-09-06
Yeah, I avoid IE on general principle. The reason I tried was because someone comment that ruby tags work in IE and nothing else. For obvious reasons I didn't believe them, but what do you know, it did. Amazing.
I've yet to find another browser that supports this, so there's one and probably only thing IE does better.
JLPT 1 in 3 months? - Jarvik7 - 2009-09-06
http://blog.whatwg.org/xhtml-5-will-have-the-only-usable-implementation-of-ruby-markup
Ironically it seems IE only supports furigana because they don't have HTML/XHTML implemented properly, which also means that there is no way to implement furigana in a way that works across all browsers (without 3rd party plugins).
JLPT 1 in 3 months? - trusmis2 - 2009-09-06
Why it is not a surprise that IE is breaking standards and causing much trouble ....
JLPT 1 in 3 months? - Thora - 2009-09-06
Don't forget that furigana isn't just for beginners. Some folks who speak Japanese (and know the vocab and grammar) never learned to read enough kanji. Being able to create furigana for online docs is a godsend to them.
JLPT 1 in 3 months? - koyota - 2009-09-06
I very quickly scanned through that document and there is an MAJOR MAJOR HUGE CHANGE In the test:
Page 5 of that last PDF says that they are no longer going to give out vocab/grammar lists for the test. This is going to hurt a ton of people's scores(About the entire asian countries of people who study for just the test) and does a whole lot with qualifying the test as actually being a true measure of your Japanese rather then just blindly memorizing grammar and vocab from books.
JLPT 1 in 3 months? - Thora - 2009-09-06
I don't understand. Are you suggesting they are going to come up with new vocab and grammar points? Has the content ever varied much from year to year?
JLPT 1 in 3 months? - ropsta - 2009-09-06
@先輩
Is that even possible?
JLPT 1 in 3 months? - Evil_Dragon - 2009-09-06
I thought they had lots of variation even now?
JLPT 1 in 3 months? - shneen - 2009-09-06
They're also not going to release old tests in their entirety any more. There will be practice problems published, some taken from old tests, but it won't be like the current release of previous years' tests.
I don't get the freak out... they actually said that they wouldn't release the vocab lists or past tests in a release talking about the changes they wanted to make to the test awhile back. The idea was to give the JLPT more integrity as a test so that it could stand up with similar tests for other languages and to have it become the defacto test for Japanese proficiency.
If you're worried, there are sample problems on the site I posted....
JLPT 1 in 3 months? - travis - 2009-09-06
It'll be more of a problem for people taking N2-N5 than N1 I'd imagine. I can't see how they could add more grammar to N1, and you already would have to know all the standard kanji, so it'd just be vocab. The other levels may get grammar they weren't expecting though.
JLPT 1 in 3 months? - Thora - 2009-09-06
Yeah, that's why I didn't understand the alarm. It says the new level (3) is between the former 2 and 3, so it doesn't sound like JLPT1 is affected. The old vocab list of 8000 words covered 80% of old JLPT1, so it's probably still enough to learn those. (I doubt they revised that list much every year).
JLPT 1 in 3 months? - koyota - 2009-09-06
travis Wrote:It'll be more of a problem for people taking N2-N5 than N1 I'd imagine. I can't see how they could add more grammar to N1, and you already would have to know all the standard kanji, so it'd just be vocab. The other levels may get grammar they weren't expecting though.(Edit: just to be clear I think this is a great change for making the test an actual test of your Japanese ability rather then how well you can prepare for a test).
Sorry you guys fundamentally don't understand how the jlpt system works.
Page 5 of the last pdf on there(all in japanese of course) says they are no longer going to be giving out the test standards FOR all levels. Which means the old vocab list of 8000 is totally revised, this is a huge change.
if you look at the change that happened in 2002 last time they revised the test, the vocab was completely changed around for ALL Levels.
The old 8000 vocab list was guaranteed to be at least 80% of the test(it ended up being more like 90%), many many people studied by just memorizing this list. If you memorized this list, and had good reading comprehension you were basically guaranteed to pass the test.
When you have random verbs on the test , like むしる , you can see how list is very helpful. with the new system it's also completely possible they ask you the difference between 予想 予期 予感 予知 予報 予測 or a wide range of other questions, that the tens of thousands of test- takers (A ton in china) who just studied the lists can't be prepared for. Whereas now due to the list most people prepare beforehand to know the difference between just the vocab on the list.
My modern day grammar book has more then 2000 entries so they must certainly could add more. Look at the amount of people who today just study by Using the Kanzen Master books.
JLPT 1 in 3 months? - ocircle - 2009-11-01
I can't imagine someone who grew up knowing only an alphabet-based language passing JLPT1 in 3 months. But if the person had already passed JLPT2, then sure, why not.
... This is similar to what I'm doing. I only started to study for JLPT level 1 at the beginning of last September or so (maybe late August). Before that I had started to cram Japanese Early June with the assumption that I was going to take JLPT level 2 this winter. ...but I've been progressing a lot faster than I thought (I didn't think I'd be scoring passing scores on JLPT2 so quickly), so I decided to aim for level 1 instead.
Right now, a month before the test, my test score just teeters passing (280 points: on my last practice test I scored 278/400. I've gotta lay off the coffee oy.) Then again, I was nowhere near passing a month ago (my average score then was 200/400), so I think I have a good shot at passing.
JLPT 1 in 3 months? - kyotokanji - 2009-12-07
So, to the OP, how did the test go?
JLPT 1 in 3 months? - skinnyneo - 2009-12-08
I am curious how this went myself!
JLPT 1 in 3 months? - Evil_Dragon - 2009-12-08
kyotokanji Wrote:So, to the OP, how did the test go?Down the drain I'd guess.
JLPT 1 in 3 months? - yukamina - 2009-12-08
I doubt the OP took the test. He seems more interested in language learning methods than language learning, though I may be wrong.