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Anki vs. iKnow - Thunk - 2009-05-24
Quick question - for those of you studying lists on smart.fm (iKnow), do you bother to copy and paste them into Anki for maximum SRSing? Or does iKnow seem to do the job well enough?
Anki vs. iKnow - crayonmaster - 2009-05-24
For me, iKnow doesn't stick as well as a "proper" SRS, however, it's a great starting point. Often, when I complete a word in iKnow, I'll copy it's example sentence into Anki so don't forget it.
Anki vs. iKnow - Burritolingus - 2009-05-25
I've gotten the whole copying thing down. Anki is vastly superior.
iKnow's system is by no means bad, and I actually enjoyed it for Core2000 step 1 and 2 and believe it really solidified my retention, but I quickly found it to be more trouble than it was worth (especially when making you review a word for the second time).
The process of copying and pasting is actually pretty easy. I have it worked out so I can easily copy the sentence, the kana, the audio clip (right click the speaker icon, copy link location, paste into Anki's add audio function, bam), the translation and the image (just drag it directly into Anki) - takes maybe 30 to 60 seconds to add a card when you get it down, so it's really not much of a problem.
Anki vs. iKnow - Nukemarine - 2009-05-25
Plus, there's a nifty plug-in allowing you to download the entire list in a matter of seconds/minutes into Anki.
Anki vs. iKnow - thorstenu - 2009-05-25
As KO2001 is about individual words (or kanji), I still use iknow for the KO2001 lists and review the sentences after completion like crayonmaster in anki. But I think that makes only sense for the KO2001 words. After that I am going to complete all the missing core2001 sentences with anki only.
Anki vs. iKnow - Thunk - 2009-05-25
Found the plugin. It's AWESOME. Saves me some time!
Thanks, guys. I finished the kanji, the kana, and now I'm on Tae Kim's Grammar guide. I started putting things into anki from smart.fm, and wondered if it was just busy work.
shank yu!
Anki vs. iKnow - brianobush - 2009-05-25
There is also an API for accessing iknow, which is quite simple. If you are a programmer and are skilled at scripting, you can easily pull down the expressions, readings, and mp3s. It is also fun!
I went this route since I have alot of other sentence sources that I have compiled (minna no nihongo, jlptstudy.org, tae kim, etc.). If you can't code, or don't want to be bothered, the plun-in for Anki is the best way.
Anki vs. iKnow - Burritolingus - 2009-05-25
The importing plugin is definitely a great tool and a huge time saver, but I've found that I personally end up being far too lazy when using it, neglecting to review each sentence ahead of time, which makes for tons of failed cards and a lot more frustration when it comes time to actually review them in Anki. When I'm doing everything by hand, I get a heck of a lot more exposure and better retention, and I have far greater control over things (I particularly like to bold specific words and space out kana) - but that's just me.
Anki vs. iKnow - Squintox - 2009-05-25
I don't copy the sentence, I use the importer. But even then, I've stopped using Smart.fm for the most part, since Core 2000 is pretty boring after Step 2.
The KO2001 list sounds fun though, I'll look into it. But yeah, I believe Anki is vastly superior, it's like using kanji mode in iKnow while still having the features of full mode. Plus, it helps make it stick into your head better with a more advanced SRS system.
Anki vs. iKnow - Thunk - 2009-05-25
Burritolingus Wrote:The importing plugin is definitely a great tool and a huge time saver, but I've found that I personally end up being far too lazy when using it, neglecting to review each sentence ahead of time, which makes for tons of failed cards and a lot more frustration when it comes time to actually review them in Anki. When I'm doing everything by hand, I get a heck of a lot more exposure and better retention, and I have far greater control over things (I particularly like to bold specific words and space out kana) - but that's just me.I'm like you. I've learned with both the kanji, and now again, that I don't retain things well if I just plug things right into an SRS off the bat. So I've decided to use smart.fm for the initial learning of a sentence/word, and once I got it down, THEN I'll start SRSing in anki. I did something similar with the kanji (made manual flashcards which I studied for 1 month before using the SRS on this site) Smart.fm is just more fun, which helps with the first time I'm exposed to something.
You know, I don't know if everyone does this, but as I'm starting out, I find myself writing down stories for the readings/meanings. Just like I did with the kanji. For child [こ], I imagine a cold child, etc.
Heisig lives on.
Anki vs. iKnow - kazelee - 2009-05-25
Since reviewing on iKnow is a hassle, I just import completed lessons into anki.
Anki vs. iKnow - thorstenu - 2009-05-25
Is anyone importing single vocabulary words from smart.fm? As not all the ko2001 items have sentences, importing only sentences from smart.fm (without using iKnow at all) would reduce the kanji reading examples by a significant amount. From this point of view, items in iKnow and sentences in anki seems like a good compromise for me.
Anki vs. iKnow - howtwosavealif3 - 2009-06-08
question, can you only import sentences or can you import vocab lists too with the plugin?
Anki vs. iKnow - vosmiura - 2009-06-08
You can import vocab too.
I usually don't bother with just the vocab lists, and import sentences. If an item lacks a spoken sentence, I delete it. I'd rather just move on and learn something else than make an exception for a few items.
Anki vs. iKnow - howtwosavealif3 - 2009-06-09
i try to import vocab from this list http://smart.fm/lists/86940/items
(chinese) but it only imports sentences. is there like a special link you use other than that link?
Anki vs. iKnow - bandwidthjunkie - 2009-07-29
I just came across the awesome iKnow KO-2001 project that has been completed today(?) by members of this site and decided to give it a go in Anki and iKnow. I have to say I really love the audio, because my listening is so bad, and in Anki it is fantastic, but I'm not quite sure what is going on in iKnow. It's the first time that I've tried it, so maybe I'm just used to Anki, but why doesn't it test you on the sentences? And is it just me, but doesn't multiple choice make it much easier?
Given that I've already typed in over 1000 sentences to Anki, this is something of a relief, and it is nice to get a lot more variety of words, I've been using minna no nihongo and whilst I like the book a lot and think that it is well structured, it is also a great way to really drill the verb 行く.
Anki vs. iKnow - bodhisamaya - 2009-07-29
It seems Smart.fm is aware of all the inconveniences occurring right now. They just got over a $1 million outside investment a few weeks ago and are finally starting to answer questions about when these issues are going to be resolved. They have a new staff member, kshelp, who seems to be used specifically for gathering suggestions on how to improve the site. feedback