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Makes me want to learn Finnish... - kfmfe04 - 2009-05-25
Has anyone seen this?
Really makes me want to learn Finnish! I'm serious!
I read that Finnish is a *itch of a language to learn, though...
...any help if you know French, German, or English?
Makes me want to learn Finnish... - brucegaston - 2009-05-25
> ...any help if you know French, German, or English?
None whatsoever, I'm afraid. It's a totally different language family (finno-ugrian, whereas the others are indo-european).
Makes me want to learn Finnish... - kfmfe04 - 2009-05-25
brucegaston Wrote:> ...any help if you know French, German, or English?Ouch! Makes me want to try even more... ...at least it's a phonetic language, right?
None whatsoever, I'm afraid. It's a totally different language family (finno-ugrian, whereas the others are indo-european).
I'm just guessing from the looks of it.
I wonder how different Finnish is from Swedish and Norwegian, in terms of difficulty to learn and usefulness.
Makes me want to learn Finnish... - Proxx - 2009-05-25
Really makes me NOT want to learn Finnish ;-)
Makes me want to learn Finnish... - brucegaston - 2009-05-25
Swedish and Norwegian (and Danish) are quite closely related to German and English. As far as I know, the only language that might give you a head start with Finnish is Estonian!
Makes me want to learn Finnish... - Codexus - 2009-05-25
Finnish is on my list of cool languages to learn if I get to live 200 years
It doesn't seem easy though.
Makes me want to learn Finnish... - Squintox - 2009-05-25
The song is... hypnotizing @_@
But if you can learn Japanese, surely you can learn Finnish.
Makes me want to learn Finnish... - blackmacros - 2009-05-25
Oh man I *love* that song. It gets me hooked every time someone links me to it.
Makes me want to learn Finnish... - Evil_Dragon - 2009-05-25
brucegaston Wrote:Swedish and Norwegian (and Danish) are quite closely related to German and English. As far as I know, the only language that might give you a head start with Finnish is Estonian!What about Hungarian? They are related, right?
Also every time I listened to my Hungarian girlfriend talk to her family, it sounded like the same gibberish to me.
Makes me want to learn Finnish... - kfmfe04 - 2009-05-25
I just found these:
カッコいい！ Sounds soo cool!!!
It's got some German-like sounds, but doesn't sound as harsh as German.
Makes me want to learn Finnish... - bombpersons - 2009-05-25
It's strange to see the what happened to the song due to it's popularity. It went from this
to this
=D
Makes me want to learn Finnish... - markal - 2009-05-25
bombpersons Wrote:It's strange to see the what happened to the song due to it's popularity. It went from thishahaha
to this
=D
Of course, everything is better with a pseudo-techno beat underneath it.
edit: and stone me if they aren't going to be the very definition of a one hit wonder
Makes me want to learn Finnish... - kanjiwarrior - 2009-05-25
po pi po
Makes me want to learn Finnish... - Jeromin - 2009-05-25
I had a Finnish girlfriend followed by a Japanese one. Their language sounded strangely similar. I heard someone mention that a distant link between the two languages had been hypothesized. Any basis to it?
Makes me want to learn Finnish... - yukamina - 2009-05-25
This is what made me want to learn Finnish
But sometimes it's just fine to enjoy a language without understanding it.
I like that song too, kanjiwarrior.
Makes me want to learn Finnish... - Zorlee - 2009-05-25
I can tell you guys that Finnish is very different from Norwegian... It's a whole different thing, but it's probably fun and hard to learn! They make some fine drums over there, actually! =)
Makes me want to learn Finnish... - shang - 2009-05-30
Finnish is probably one of the most difficult languages to learn for an adult. Tons of weird conjugation rules and irregularities. I don't always understand how us native speakers are able to learn it all as children.
There are some similarities between Japanese and Finnish pronunciation and in some inflections, but generally speaking, leaning one language doesn't really help you with the other. Also, the way vowels, syllables and words are dropped and shortened in colloquial speech is a bit similar. Spoken, casual Finnish often differs radically from the written language.
E.g. see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_grammar
Makes me want to learn Finnish... - Jarvik7 - 2009-05-30
kfmfe04 Wrote:Has anyone seen this?Much of that song is just random babbling and not actual words/language from what I've read.
Really makes me want to learn Finnish! I'm serious!
Makes me want to learn Finnish... - shang - 2009-05-30
Jarvik7 Wrote:Much of that song is just random babbling and not actual words/language from what I've read.That's correct. There's only a couple of real words, and the rest is the equivalent of "la-la-la".
Makes me want to learn Finnish... - kurage - 2009-06-07
I tried learning it some time ago but had to stop because I get all messed up when learning two languages at a time. Grammar is a bitch to understand but it's such a lovely language, I guess it's worth the trouble.
Makes me want to learn Finnish... - blackmacros - 2009-06-07
kurage Wrote:I tried learning it some time ago but had to stop because I get all messed up when learning two languages at a time. Grammar is a bitch to understand but it's such a lovely language, I guess it's worth the trouble.I've got a Finnish friend who grew up in Australia (since age 7 ish), which meant he could speak Finnish fairly well but didn't have much experience with the formal, written language. Apparently he had to take the international student exam for University admission because of this, and it includes Finnish language components. Anyway, he was bitching about having to formally study the grammar of his native tongue. So its not just non-natives who find it hard
Makes me want to learn Finnish... - Namorbia - 2013-02-06
You should learn Finnish. No one does, so anyone you meet will be utterly perplexed and pleasantly surprised. Finland is also closest to Japan from the EU (return tickets $800) and popular in Japan (because of a good school system, the sauna, northern lights, Santa Claus, trendy design, Moomins, etc.)
I'm Finnish and my mother tongue is both Finnish and Swedish. We bilinguals are a 5.5% minority here and Swedish is also an official language. But don't count on being able to use it with regular people, except in the heavily bilingual towns.
Finnish is no way near Swedish/English/German. It's not close to Russian either. Estonian is close to Finnish, but not as close as the Romance or Scandinavian languages are to each other. But Finnish is closer to Estonian than Swedish is to German. Hungarian is from the same language family as Finnish (the Finno-Ugric one IIRC), but they are really different now and neither will help you in the other. I once ate dinner with an Estonian and a Hungarian and we all agreed that Hungarian is totally different.
Finnish pronunciation is really easy and similar to Japanese. We do have the rolled r and umlauts (å, ä, ö), but that's easy because those sounds exist in English (but not in Japanese). For example "ö" can be found in bird/sir/turn/ and "ä" in cat/flat/that. The letter "å" is probably borrowed from Swedish and not used in any Finnish words, only in peoples' names. My Japanese teacher (who is Finnish) told me that Finns in Japan and Japanese in Finland have the best pronunciation in their respective language classes.
There won't be any lack of Finnish material to devour, I think. I don't know about textbooks, but plenty of audiobooks/tv/movies/dubbed anime. Some audiobooks can be found as torrents (on piratebay search for "äänikirja"), for example "Sinuhe Egyptiläinen" (English: "The Egyptian"). That's one of the most famous Finnish books and really good, you should read it in any language. Hollywood made a movie of it in 1954 and apparently it's mediocre. Please read the book instead
The narrator of the audiobook is Lars Svedberg, who has a really nice deep voice. He also reads slowly, which is perfect for learners. I usually listened to it on 2x speed on my iPod.
The company MOT has good dictionaries, both FIN-ENG and ENG-FIN, which include example sentences. I use their iPhone app quite often.
Do you know the Moomins? They are children's books by a Finnish author made even more famous by the Japanese anime. They are really well dubbed, both in Finnish AND Japanese. The pronunciation is clear, the vocabulary is easy, the speed is not fast and the stories are mature. Check out the Finnish version, then check out the Japanese one. The Finnish episodes are all up on YouTube, but you have to torrent the Japanese ones. Watch these also for your Japanese studies (you'll be surprised at how much you understand)!
Madventures is a Finnish travel show and frankly the best one ever. Yes, I've searched and have found none that even come close. Check out this episode in Tokyo, it has English subtitles as well. You'll have a chance to hear normal spoken Finnish, though with a somewhat Helsinki dialect (the words they use; pronunciation is quite similar across the country). The first two seasons are in Finnish and the third one in English. Unfortunately season 1 has no English subtitles, but the DVD box of season 2 does have English subtitles. You can buy it or torrent it. Even if you have zero interest in Finnish, you will enjoy the show itself!
Makes me want to learn Finnish... - PrettyInScarlet - 2013-02-06
Oh, what a coincidence, Finnish is definitely on "my list"
I've started Japanese only a year ago, so if everything goes as planned I would like to start learning Finnish in 2015, after I get much more advanced in Japanese...I've also noticed a lot of similarities between these two cultures and languages. Great post!
Makes me want to learn Finnish... - SendaiDan - 2013-02-06
The lady who sat opposite me at work was Finnish but had been living in Australia since she was in her early twenties. Every time she spoke Finnish on the phone to family I would stop doing whatever it was that I was doing and just listen. Finnish has such an interesting sound - almost melodic I suppose.