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Interesting device: Open Pandora - blackmacros - 2009-05-20

ToasterMage Wrote:
blackmacros Wrote:I thought this looked really awesome until I read something along the lines of "since this runs on an ARM processor only programs compiled specifically for an ARM processor will work". I think that was mentioned somewhere on their FAQ or something. But if thats true then...well it will only run programs specifically ported for it. And realistically, the number of programs ported is always going to be less than the number of programs you want it to run.
then fire up gcc and do it yourself.
Unfortunately I'm not a programmer and in no way capable of porting anything :-(

Interesting device: Open Pandora - ToasterMage - 2009-05-20

blackmacros Wrote:
ToasterMage Wrote:
blackmacros Wrote:I thought this looked really awesome until I read something along the lines of "since this runs on an ARM processor only programs compiled specifically for an ARM processor will work". I think that was mentioned somewhere on their FAQ or something. But if thats true then...well it will only run programs specifically ported for it. And realistically, the number of programs ported is always going to be less than the number of programs you want it to run.
then fire up gcc and do it yourself.
Unfortunately I'm not a programmer and in no way capable of porting anything :-(
if its a linux program it shouldn`t require anything more than the basic `./configure && make && make install` deal.

well, you will need to tell it to use the gcc for arm processors, but thats just a flag to send to configure that I can`t seem to remember at the moment.

I don`t have a pandora (yet) so I can`t be too sure on this though.

Interesting device: Open Pandora - blackmacros - 2009-05-20

ToasterMage Wrote:
blackmacros Wrote:
ToasterMage Wrote:then fire up gcc and do it yourself.
Unfortunately I'm not a programmer and in no way capable of porting anything :-(
if its a linux program it shouldn`t require anything more than the basic `./configure && make && make install` deal.

well, you will need to tell it to use the gcc for arm processors, but thats just a flag to send to configure that I can`t seem to remember at the moment.

I don`t have a pandora (yet) so I can`t be too sure on this though.
Heh, that may be 'basic' process for you but that all flew right over my head. But you seem to be indicating that the fact it runs on an ARM processor shouldn't prevent it from running (most) non-optimised linux programs? Like it would be fairly simple to install a full blown program used on a normal linux distro- for example, Open Office or something?

Interesting device: Open Pandora - ToasterMage - 2009-05-20

I dont see why not.

Interesting device: Open Pandora - Tobberoth - 2009-05-20

blackmacros Wrote:
ToasterMage Wrote:
blackmacros Wrote:Unfortunately I'm not a programmer and in no way capable of porting anything :-(
if its a linux program it shouldn`t require anything more than the basic `./configure && make && make install` deal.

well, you will need to tell it to use the gcc for arm processors, but thats just a flag to send to configure that I can`t seem to remember at the moment.

I don`t have a pandora (yet) so I can`t be too sure on this though.
Heh, that may be 'basic' process for you but that all flew right over my head. But you seem to be indicating that the fact it runs on an ARM processor shouldn't prevent it from running (most) non-optimised linux programs? Like it would be fairly simple to install a full blown program used on a normal linux distro- for example, Open Office or something?
Depends. Open Office has tons of dependencies, and those dependencies would have to be ported as well. Eventually, you may hit software which can not simply be compiled for ARM and that's where you'll need a programmer to port it. That is, programs which are coded to be dependant on the implementation.

Interesting device: Open Pandora - ToasterMage - 2009-05-20

well it seems that abiword is already there, which is like openoffice but not huge.

Interesting device: Open Pandora - Tobberoth - 2009-05-20

What I'm wondering is, why would anyone buy this instead of a proper netbook? More or less same price, more or less same capabilities, a lot better supported.

Interesting device: Open Pandora - blackmacros - 2009-05-20

Tobberoth Wrote:
blackmacros Wrote:
ToasterMage Wrote:if its a linux program it shouldn`t require anything more than the basic `./configure && make && make install` deal.

well, you will need to tell it to use the gcc for arm processors, but thats just a flag to send to configure that I can`t seem to remember at the moment.

I don`t have a pandora (yet) so I can`t be too sure on this though.
Heh, that may be 'basic' process for you but that all flew right over my head. But you seem to be indicating that the fact it runs on an ARM processor shouldn't prevent it from running (most) non-optimised linux programs? Like it would be fairly simple to install a full blown program used on a normal linux distro- for example, Open Office or something?
Depends. Open Office has tons of dependencies, and those dependencies would have to be ported as well. Eventually, you may hit software which can not simply be compiled for ARM and that's where you'll need a programmer to port it. That is, programs which are coded to be dependant on the implementation.
Ah thanks :-)

Still, regardless of what can or can not be ported I have learnt my lesson about splurging on the basis of gadget-lust alone. My EeePC gets very, very little use. Plus the only thing I'd use this for is emulation, which I can do (albeit with way worse controls) on my iPhone. Speaking of that, does anyone know what gaming platforms use kanji in the games? Eg. I think gameboy/NES games don't use kanji for whatever technical reasons. What is the earliest console I can emulate games for, which will use kanji?

EDIT: At Tobberoth, the reason I would want to buy it is because it can fit in the pocket (it says its the size of a DS right? Should fit in a pocket). With my Eee PC I actually didn't end up using it because, evne though its small, you still need a bag or something to carry it (if you don't wanna lug it around in your arms all day). At that point, if you have a bag, why not just take your actual laptop. Which is what I ended up doing :-(

Interesting device: Open Pandora - Tobberoth - 2009-05-20

I seriously doubt the Pandora Open is as small as a DS, a qwerty keyboard wouldn't fit unless it was small like on an android phone... yuk.

Anyways, the SNES has several games using kanji. DS also has kanji in most games. Even some NES games use kanji, but they are sorta hard to read Wink

Interesting device: Open Pandora - bombpersons - 2009-05-20

I don't know about Nes game's but SNES games (such as Dragon Quest) use kanji.
All the gameboy advanced games I have played didn't have any kanji though.
PS1 games seem to have full kanji sets.

Interesting device: Open Pandora - ToasterMage - 2009-05-20

Tobberoth Wrote:I seriously doubt the Pandora Open is as small as a DS, a qwerty keyboard wouldn't fit unless it was small like on an android phone... yuk.
http://pandorawiki.org/Pandora#Size_Comparison

slightly larger.

Interesting device: Open Pandora - blackmacros - 2009-05-20

Tobberoth Wrote:I seriously doubt the Pandora Open is as small as a DS, a qwerty keyboard wouldn't fit unless it was small like on an android phone... yuk.

Anyways, the SNES has several games using kanji. DS also has kanji in most games. Even some NES games use kanji, but they are sorta hard to read Wink
bombpersons Wrote:I don't know about Nes game's but SNES games (such as Dragon Quest) use kanji.
All the gameboy advanced games I have played didn't have any kanji though.
PS1 games seem to have full kanji sets.
Thanks for the tips :-)

Also, I think I saw that the pandora can emulate the PSP but not the DS right? If it could emulate the DS then I could actually see this thing being useful. It would be like owning the Nintendo DS 10,000; all the capabilities of the DS plus also being a computer.

Interesting device: Open Pandora - bombpersons - 2009-05-20

It can emulate the Playstation 1 but I doubt it can emulate the PSP, since there aren't any decent PC based PSP emulators yet...same for DS. Maybe later, when better emulators are made, they may work on the pandora.

Interesting device: Open Pandora - bombpersons - 2009-08-13

I ordered one! =D They have space left in the first batch!!

In the FAQ at http://openpandora.org/:
When and where can I buy it?
There are a small number of Pandoras left from the first batch - if you are interested in buying one please email openpandorasales@gmail.com.

If you want one before the end of the year (the first batch is supposed to be shipped in september, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were more delays), then order one now otherwise there'll be none left!

Interesting device: Open Pandora - bladethecoder - 2009-08-13

I was tempted, but I think I'll leave it for now. I'm still not entirely convinced this is going to work out. And I think I want a new desktop more urgently, though with the baffling array of options, I've been putting that off for months >.>

Interesting device: Open Pandora - chully - 2009-08-13

I am tempted too, but I worry about shoddy build quality for the first batch. Any opinions on that?

Interesting device: Open Pandora - bombpersons - 2009-08-14

I guess there's no way to find out untill there're delivered =( It would be rather dissapointing, but seeing the amount of time they've been checking the molds for the cases and checking everything, I doubt there will be any shoddy build quality.

Interesting device: Open Pandora - Corodon - 2009-08-14

Tobberoth Wrote:What I'm wondering is, why would anyone buy this instead of a proper netbook? More or less same price, more or less same capabilities, a lot better supported.
This sounds like it would fit in your pocket a lot better than a netbook.

Interesting device: Open Pandora - bladethecoder - 2009-08-16

Now I'm wondering why the "small number of Pandoras left from the first batch" haven't sold out yet. Though it could still be the difference between the people who wanted to pay with a credit card, and those willing to hand over cash for something that doesn't yet exist.

Interesting device: Open Pandora - ToasterMage - 2009-08-16

bladethecoder Wrote:Now I'm wondering why the "small number of Pandoras left from the first batch" haven't sold out yet. Though it could still be the difference between the people who wanted to pay with a credit card, and those willing to hand over cash for something that doesn't yet exist.
people get impatient and cancel their order or something.

they did collect the money almost a year ago I think.

Interesting device: Open Pandora - bombpersons - 2009-08-16

ToasterMage Wrote:
bladethecoder Wrote:Now I'm wondering why the "small number of Pandoras left from the first batch" haven't sold out yet. Though it could still be the difference between the people who wanted to pay with a credit card, and those willing to hand over cash for something that doesn't yet exist.
people get impatient and cancel their order or something.

they did collect the money almost a year ago I think.
Yeah, I think some people cancelled, that's why there are spaces left.

I hope it isn't delayed any more. Apparently some time in September they should be shipping them =D

Interesting device: Open Pandora - Thora - 2009-08-16

Corodon Wrote:
Tobberoth Wrote:What I'm wondering is, why would anyone buy this instead of a proper netbook? More or less same price, more or less same capabilities, a lot better supported.
This sounds like it would fit in your pocket a lot better than a netbook.
heh This reminds me of the story of Sony's introduction of their first pocket transistor radio. They were all set to go, but the thing didn't fit into the salesman's shirt pocket. So they sewed a larger pocket for that presentation. (and presumably reduced the size later).

I have -in my shameful gadget graveyard closet- my Dad's first Sony pocket radio ('50s) and one of the first Sony Walkmans. Both work. It's kind of a shame the latest gadgets become obsolete in 10 minutes. I think it's fantastic (and impressive) that you guys have the ability to hack into things and expand their use.

Interesting device: Open Pandora - ocircle - 2009-08-20

I would rather have a netbook with tablet functionality.. kind of like those tablet notebook. This product doesn't appeal to me because the keyboard looks like it would be hard to use at a fast wpm.