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Learning Portuguese (Slightly Japanese Related) - esgrove - 2009-05-02

This thread has brought up a few points that I would like to supplement.

-I use pimsleur when I'm mobile, and thus unable to utilize any resource but audio. So it isn't inefficient in that regard.

-Rosetta Stone is frustrating because it spoons out segments of the language while the user follows along blindly, but I like the interface. It almost feels like a game, so it keeps me motivated.

-To me the most difficult aspect of Portuguese is how similar, yet different it is to Spanish. I studied Spanish in college and was making good progress with it (I could have rudimentary conversations and understand the gist of most of what I read). It's harder to break an old habit than it is to just start a new one. Spanish was helpful in that I can learn the meaning of new words effortlessly if they resemble their Spanish counterpart, but I find myself misreading almost every word. I know it's just my bias, but the Portuguese pronunciation feels wacky.

Learning Portuguese (Slightly Japanese Related) - welldone101 - 2009-05-06

esgrove Wrote:I've been studying Japanese for years, and recently I've felt that I was in a rut. After reading books by famous polyglots, I've felt more and more like trying the learning methods I've acquired in my Japanese study on a fresh language.

Just curious if you could enlighten us which books you've been reading. I love reading books by people who speak a lot of languages, it's very motivating Smile

Learning Portuguese (Slightly Japanese Related) - mentat_kgs - 2009-05-07

http://veja.abril.com.br/311007/p_104.shtml (in portuguese)

"Portugues e' o espanhol sem ossos"
Haha. I liked this one.

Learning Portuguese (Slightly Japanese Related) - kazelee - 2009-05-07

esgrove Wrote:-Rosetta Stone is frustrating because it spoons out segments of the language while the user follows along blindly, but I like the interface. It almost feels like a game, so it keeps me motivated.

The newer version would be so bad if you could some how make it go faster. I went insane while testing it. The older version I tried was faster, and "seemed" to cover more, but it lacked the many new features of the new one.

Learning Portuguese (Slightly Japanese Related) - esgrove - 2009-05-07

welldone101 Wrote:Just curious if you could enlighten us which books you've been reading. I love reading books by people who speak a lot of languages, it's very motivating

I recently read "How to Learn any Language" by Barry Farber, "Polyglot: How I Learn Languages" by Kato Lomb, and "The Quick and Dirty Guide to Learning Languages Fast" by A.G. Hawke.

Much of their advice is a little old fashioned (paper flashcards, cassette language tapes), but their anecdotes are interesting.

All of these books can be found somewhere on the internet fairly easily.

Learning Portuguese (Slightly Japanese Related) - Montrealer - 2009-05-07

I'll agree with the other posters that the FSI course is a good one to start with. It helped me to lose the Mexican accent I initially had from my high-school Spanish. Now that this course is free, it's hard to beat.
Portuguese grammar is also a tough nut to crack. Two cheep resources from Dover Publications, Prista's "Essential Portuguese Grammar" and Williams "An Introductory Portuguese Grammar" filled in a lot of holes for me. Note that the latter is much more old-style Portugal-ese than modern Brazilian, but for a reference it has its place.
Hugo's published Allen's "Portuguese Verbs Simplified," and this one included information that I haven't found elsewhere, including a list of verbal phrases and which prepositions go with which verbs. I've found it's much better than a Bescherelle is for French verbs.
Newspapers are a good place to get lots of free text. You should be able to follow international news knowing even a little of the language, while the more national or local news can provide unknown material. Estadao.com.br and Folha.com.br are two of the big ones.
Brazilians are incredibly friendly and are usually very happy to suffer along with you as you learn the language. Unlike French, badly produced Portuguese can still be understood, and that's a huge source of encouragement to continue.
Boa sorte nos estudos!

Learning Portuguese (Slightly Japanese Related) - Jarvik7 - 2009-05-28

I'm confused, how many Chinese characters does Portuguese require for literacy? I can find no information on this!

Learning Portuguese (Slightly Japanese Related) - welldone101 - 2009-05-28

Jarvik7 Wrote:I'm confused, how many Chinese characters does Portuguese require for literacy? I can find no information on this!

Only a few less than Finnish.

Learning Portuguese (Slightly Japanese Related) - efeilliaid - 2010-08-02

Hey,

this thread looks quite old but I thought I'd hook myself up right here.

First, for those interested, PortuguesePod 101 has recently been started at http://www.portuguesepod101.com

Second, it is likely that I will split my life between Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan and Macau in the future. Does anyone here have any experience with Portuguese used in Macau? Is it more similar to Brazilian or European Portuguese, or is it very different from both?

Thanks!
efeilliaid

Learning Portuguese (Slightly Japanese Related) - Womacks23 - 2010-08-02

efeilliaid Wrote:Hey,

this thread looks quite old but I thought I'd hook myself up right here.

First, for those interested, PortuguesePod 101 has recently been started at http://www.portuguesepod101.com

Second, it is likely that I will split my life between Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan and Macau in the future. Does anyone here have any experience with Portuguese used in Macau? Is it more similar to Brazilian or European Portuguese, or is it very different from both?

Thanks!
efeilliaid

Learning Portuguese to live in Macau seems like a huge waste of time since no one there speaks it anymore.

It's probably a mix of both.

Historical and societal connection to European Portuguese but a larger and more rapidly growing economic connection to Brazil.

Learning Portuguese (Slightly Japanese Related) - efeilliaid - 2010-08-02

Womacks23 Wrote:Learning Portuguese to live in Macau seems like a huge waste of time since no one there speaks it anymore.

I want to master Portuguese at some point for many reasons ;-) It just so happens that Portuguese is officially recognized as a language in use in Macau and I was interested what its relation to the other "Portugueses" was. Thanks anyway.

Learning Portuguese (Slightly Japanese Related) - Womacks23 - 2010-08-02

efeilliaid Wrote:
Womacks23 Wrote:Learning Portuguese to live in Macau seems like a huge waste of time since no one there speaks it anymore.
It just so happens that Portuguese is officially recognized as a language in use in Macau

Of which only 2% of the people actually speak so I don't think you'll get any actual benefit whatsoever from knowing Portuguese and living in Macao. Unless you work for a Brazilian company and also know Cantonese.

Learning Portuguese (Slightly Japanese Related) - Lightning - 2010-08-02

efeilliaid Wrote:I want to master Portuguese at some point for many reasons ;-) It just so happens that Portuguese is officially recognized as a language in use in Macau and I was interested what its relation to the other "Portugueses" was. Thanks anyway.

Learn european portuguese and you'll easily understand any portuguese.

Learning Portuguese (Slightly Japanese Related) - Bokusenou - 2014-04-08

This seems to be the only Portuguese-related thread, so I'll put this here.
I found a great Portuguese-learning blog which seemed to be heavily influenced by AJATT/immersion: http://erikspen.wordpress.com

Anyone know other good Portuguese learning resources?

Learning Portuguese (Slightly Japanese Related) - weatherman - 2014-04-08

Duolingo (https://www.duolingo.com/) has a Portuguese course available as well. Though I've never used the app myself, I have heard good things from others. Worth a try at least.