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Manga Study/Translation Group - cerulean - 2009-05-01
okay, thanks, I'll follow along.
here's the link for the first page for those just walking in:
http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/25510/3?t=1241202753
Manga Study/Translation Group - sheetz - 2009-05-01
Here's what the first page would look like using MH standard format. The page number used is the page number in the file. In this case, page 1 is the front cover, so the dialog actually begins on page 2. Hence it'd look like this:
Pg 02
Side Text: 新シリーズ！！ 帝丹小（ていたんしょう）へやって来た白鳥（しらとり）警部のお目当ては、もちろん…
Kobayashi: え？ 盗難事件？
Kobayashi: もしかして、今日もニュースでやってたあれですか？
Shiratori: ええ… 戸締りには気をつけてください…
Shiratori: この界隈の宝石店や古美術店（アンティークショップ）を荒らし回っている窃盗犯で、今月に入ってもう5件目ですので…
Kobayashi: でも、ここは小学校、盗られる（とられる）物なんて…
Shiratori: いやいや、用心に越した事はありません！
何かあればすぐに僕に連絡を！
飛んできますから！
Kobayashi: あ、はい！
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ETA: Hmm, the page number in the downloaded file is different than the one from the online viewer. I guess we'll work that out somehow.
Manga Study/Translation Group - albion - 2009-05-01
So having a go with that format from page 3:
http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/25510/4?t=1241205304
Mitsuhiko: また来てますね 白鳥警部…
Genta: 昨日も来てたよなぁ？
Ayumi: うん！
Ayumi: 仕事熱心だね！
Mitsuhiko: ええ！市民を守る警察官ですから！
Conan: いや、白鳥警部は捜査1課の強行犯係… 担当は主に殺人事件…
Conan: 盗難事件の担当は捜査３課！
まあ、怪盗キッドみてーな予告状を出して空を飛び回り世間を大騒ぎさせる派手な大泥棒は、捜査２課扱いになっちまうけどな…
Genta: じゃあなんで来てんだよ？
Mitsuhiko: 担当でもないのに…
Conan: あ、いや、それは…
Haibara: 仕方ないじゃない？
Haibara: 白鳥警部にとって小林先生は… 運命の人だもの…
I don't know the characters, so I just made a guess based on the little character introductions at the side of the pages.
Side text: ●江戸川（えどがわ）コナン●高校生探偵・工藤新一（くどう・しんいち）が黒ずくめの組織に毒薬を飲まされ小さくなった姿。正体を隠すため、仮の名前・江戸川コナンを名乗って、幼なじみの蘭（らん）の家に居候をしている。
●工藤新一●高校生探偵。今は江戸川コナンの姿で、難事件に挑んでいる。
Manga Study/Translation Group - bombpersons - 2009-05-01
This sounds like an awesome idea =D I've never read Dectective Conan, but I'll give it ago =D
Are we actually going edit the raw with the translations?
Manga Study/Translation Group - sheetz - 2009-05-01
Albion, that's excellent! I don't have time now, but I can help transcribe later on tonight. I'll start from the back end so we don't repeat pages.
Bombpersons, this is strictly about translating and understanding the Japanese. We are not a scanlation group. However, if you would like to do that you're welcome to do so.
Manga Study/Translation Group - albion - 2009-05-01
I didn't intend to, but I ended up finishing the whole lot.
Page 4:
http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/25510/5?t=1241210262
Side text: ●白鳥任三郎（しらとり・にんさぶろう）●警視庁捜査一課の警部。高木（たかぎ）は佐藤（さとう）を巡る恋の宿敵（ライバル）。
●少年探偵団●元太（げんた）・光彦（みつひこ）・歩美（あゆみ）にコナンと灰原（はいばら）を加えた帝丹小１−Ｂの５人組。数多くの難事件を解決してきた。
Mitsuhiko?: う…
Genta?: 運命の人！？
Shiratori: しーっ しーっ！
Kobayashi: ？
Conan: おい… その事は機会を見て自分で言うから黙ってろって言われたじゃねーか？
Haibara: あら、そうだったかしら？
Haibara: イラつくのよね… 自分の気持ちをなかなか伝えず女を振り回すラブコメ野郎…
Conan: まさか、それオレの事じゃねぇだろーな？
Haibara: まあ、いいカップルだとは思うわよ…
小林先生は江戸川乱歩（えどがわらんぽ）マニアで事件好き！ 彼から捜査の話を色々聞けるだろーし…
Conan: 答えてねーし…
Genta: 事件っていえばよ、この前 光彦言ってたよな?
Ayumi: そうそう、確か倉がどうとか…
Mitsuhiko: ああ…
Mitsuhiko: もののけ倉（ぐら）の事ですね！
Page 5:
http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/25510/6?t=1241210268
Conan: もののけ倉？
Mitsuhiko: ええ…
ウチのクラスの琢馬君（たくまくん）が、米花町（べいかちょう）５丁目にある親戚の家で友達とかくれんぼをしていた時の事らしいんですけど…
Mitsuhiko: 友達が全然見つからなくて、もう倉しか捜す所がないと思い…
木に登って倉の窓から中をのぞいたら…
Mitsuhiko: 高そうな美術品などが大量に置かれていて…
そのお宝の陰から誰かがこっちを見ていたそうです…
Genta: それ、かくれんぼしてた友達じゃねーのか？
Mitsuhiko: 琢馬君もそう思って 中に入ろうとしたけど、扉に鍵がかかっていて友達の名前を呼んでも出てこないから、家の人に鍵を開けてくれと頼んだんです…
Mitsuhiko: そうしたら家の人は…
その倉はもう何年も開けてないから、人が入れるわけがないって言われて…
Ayumi: そ、それで捜すのあきらめちゃったの？
Mitsuhiko: いいえ！琢馬君が絶対 人がいたと言い張り、鍵を開けてもらって中に入ったら…
Mitsuhiko: さっき見たはずの人やお宝は影も形もなくなっていて…
不思議そうな顔をした琢馬君に、家の人がその倉の言い伝えを教えてくれたそうです…
「この倉に大切な物を置いてはならない… 置けばたちまち消えてしまう…
Page 6:
http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/25510/7?t=1241225413
Mitsuhiko: 大食らい（おおぐらい）のもののけ倉に飲み込まれてしまう」って…
Ayumi: えぇ～！？
Genta: ま、まさか捜してた友達も倉に食べられちまったのかよ！？
Mitsuhiko: いえ、その後（あと）すぐ別のところからヒョッコリ出て来たそうです…
Mitsuhiko: でも、そのショックで琢馬君は毎晩悪い夢にうなされてるらしいですけど…
Ayumi: 今日も学校お休みしてたもんね…
Kobayashi: なるほど…
Kobayashi: 大食らいのもののけ倉…
まさに奇々怪々な江戸川乱歩の世界ね…
Ayumi: こ、小林先生…
Haibara: 白鳥警部は？
Kobayashi: さっき帰られたわよ…
鼻歌まじりに…
Kobayashi: それより、問題はその倉！
一刻も早く我ら少年探偵団でその倉の謎を解いて、琢馬君を安心させてあげなきゃいけない…
Page 7:
http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/25510/8?t=1241225438
Kobayashi: ――って…
Kobayashi: ちょっとー！
探偵団顧問の先生を無視しないでよー！
Mitsuhiko: 小林先生が来ると色々面倒ですから！
Ayumi: そこは入っちゃダメとかもう帰る時間だとかね…
Genta: 足手まといだしよ！
Haibara: それじゃあ、その問題の倉 ５丁目にあるらしいし…
Conan: 同じ５丁目の毛利（もうり）探偵事務所に集合ってか？
Conan: んじゃ、ちょっと事務所に入って待っててくれよ！
Conan: 蘭姉ちゃんに今日は遅くなるかもって書き置きしてくっから！
Ayumi: うん！
Mitsuhiko: 楽しみですね もののけ倉！
Genta: けど、マジで倉が化け物だったらどーすんだ？
Ayumi: 平気だよ！
Ayumi: きっとコナン君がお化けじゃないって解いてくれるもん！
Genta: オゥ！
Mitsuhiko: ですね！
Haibara: ――ったく…
Page 8:
http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/25510/9?t=1241225490
Haibara: あなた達、毎度毎度 江戸川君に頼りっ放しね…
たまには、彼をギャフンと言わせたくならないの？
Everyone: え？
Mitsuhiko: 無理ですよー…
Ayumi: コナン君 頭いーもん！
Genta: 変な事いっぱい知ってるしよォ…
Haibara: 私は気構えの事を言ってるのよ！
それじゃー成長しないわよ！
Mitsuhiko: あの どこに…？
Haibara: ト・イ・レ！
Genta: オレは成長してるぞ… 今日も母さんに大きくなったって言われたし…
Ayumi: でもさ…
Ayumi: 見てみたいよね？ コナン君のギャフンって言う顔！
Genta: だよな？
Mitsuhiko: ええ！一度ぐらいは彼がボク達に参ったをする情けない顔を…
Ayumi: あ…
Mitsuhiko: い、いや 今のは…
Genta: かるーい冗談でよ…
Ayumi: ウソだから…
Page 9:
http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/25510/10?t=1241225985
Conan: 悪い悪い、待たせたな…
Conan: ん？
Conan: どーした？机の周りに集まって…
Mitsuhiko: あ…
いや…
Conan?: 小五郎のおっちゃんなら競馬場に行ってて いねーぞ…
Conan: あれ？ 灰原（はいばら）は？
Haibara: 呼んだ？
Genta: んじゃ、早く行こーぜ その倉に！！
Ayumi: サッサと行ってチャッチャと解決しちゃお！
Mitsuhiko: ボク達探偵団の前に謎なんてないんですから！！
Conan: ん？ やけにはりきってんあ オメーら…
Page 10:
http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/25510/11?t=1241226460
Ayumi: あ、そう見える？
Genta: まぁ、今日のオレらはよ！
Mitsuhiko: いつもと一味違う事は確かですよ！！
Haibara: どーでもいいけど、はりきりすぎて羽目外さないように…
Everyone: はーい！
Chair??: ガタ
Old man: ホー… 琢馬君の友達か…
Old man: それで、あの倉を調べに来たんじゃな？
Mitsuhiko: ええ！
Genta: オレら少年探偵団だからよ！
Old man: まあ 好奇心旺盛なのはいいが、深入りしすぎて倉に食われんようにな！
Conan: だってよ！
Mitsuhiko: 大丈夫！ お化け話のほとんどは恐怖心が生み出す錯覚…
Genta: この世に解けねぇ謎なんてよォ…
Ayumi: ちーっともないんだから！
Conan: あ、ああ…
Page 11:
http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/25510/12?t=1241226766
Haibara?: へぇー… かなり古そうだけど意外に普通の倉ね…
Old man: なんでも幕末頃（ばくまつごろ）に建てられたそうじゃ…
Conan: ん？
Conan: 何撮ってんだ？
Ayumi: 写メだよ！
Mitsuhiko: これから倉の謎を解き明かすんですから！
Genta: その倉の周りを撮ってもいいじゃんか！
Conan: そ、そうだな…
Old man: ホレ、開いたぞ！
Old man: まあ、中には何もありゃせんがな…
Everyone: おー！
Page 12:
http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/25510/13?t=1241227208
Ayumi: すごく広ーい…
Mitsuhiko: でも、真っ暗でほとんど何も見えませんね…
Conan: かろうじて見えるのは、天井近くに付いている…
Conan: あの窓の隙間から漏れ出る光だけか…
Genta: おーし！ 倉の中の写メ、取りまくろうぜ！
Conan: 気をつけろよ！ 足元暗いんだか…
Conan: ら！？
Conan: うわぅ
Conan: イテテ…
Ayumi: コ、コナン君！？
Haibara: 自分で言って自分でコケてりゃ世話ないわね…
Page 13:
http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/25510/14?t=1241227474
Conan: 違うよ… この階段が…
Conan: ん？
誰かが歩いた足跡がある…
Conan: しかも、倉の真ん中だけ…
子供の足跡じゃねぇね…
Conan: あ、
あれは…
Conan: ソロバン？
Conan: 足跡は壁に埋め込まれたこのソロバンにつながってる…
ん？ ソロバンにしては珠（たま）の数が妙だな…
Old man: おーい… 何もありゃせんじゃろ？
扉を閉めるから出て来なされ！
Conan: あ、うん…
Conan: おい、オメーらも出るぞ！
Mitsuhiko: あ…
Genta: オウ！
Page 14:
http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/25510/15?t=1241227819
Old man: 満足したかな？ 探偵団諸君！
Ayumi: ええ…
Mitsuhiko: まあ…
Mitsuhiko: あ、でも陽（ひ）が暮れたらもう一度 倉を調べてもいいですか？
Genta: それまで大人しくしてっからよ！
Ayumi: お願い！
Old man: ああ…
構わんが…
Conan: なぁ？ あの窓だよな？ 琢馬君が中を覗いた窓…
Haibara: ええ…窓はあれ１つしかなかったから…
Conan: んじゃ、陽が暮れるのなんか待たねーで今見てみよーぜ？
琢馬君が目にしたお宝ってヤツを…
Ayumi: コナン君 大丈夫？
Mitsuhiko: 落ちないでくださいよ…
Haibara: どーせ何もないわよ…
Genta: さっき見たじゃんか！
Conan: ちょっと確かめるだけさ！
Conan: 倉ん中見たらすぐに降りっから…
Page 15:
http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/25510/16?t=1241228175
Ayumi: え？
Mitsuhiko: ちょっ…
Conan: さ、さっきのジイさん連れて来い！！
早く！！！
Genta: おい、コナン？
Mitsuhiko: 何か見えたんですか？
Ayumi: 連れて来たよー！
Old man: 何もありゃせんと思うが…
Page 16:
http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/25510/17?t=1241228566
Old man: ほれ みい！
Conan: そ、そんな…
バカな！？
Haibara: で？ 何が見えたわけ？
Conan: た、確かにあったんだよ…
さっきまで…
Conan: 床一面に埋めつくされた…
お宝の山がな！！
第２４号につづく
Side text: やはり、この倉は”もののけ倉”なのか！？ 次号！！
Manga Study/Translation Group - sheetz - 2009-05-01
Aw man, you finished it already, albion. I didn't even get a chance to start. lol. Anyway, I've created a thread at MH and I'll transfer the text over.
http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1335644#post1335644
I'll get started on the translation even though there are still a lot of lines where I'm not 100% of the meaning.
Manga Study/Translation Group - Codexus - 2009-05-02
Mmm, how about talking about the chapter? So who read it? What did you think of it?
For the moment I read it only once without using the dictionary. I feel I had no problem understanding what was going on even though there was a lot I didn't understand in the dialog.
The story so far was OK but I'm a bit disappointed that the new case is one with the school kids (少年探偵団), as they are usually not as interesting as the real cases with Ran and Kogorou Mouri. What do you think the trick was? Some kind of camera obscura effect? Another secret room?
I didn't know もののけ was a real word, I always thought that was just the name of the girl in that movie (I've never seen it as you can guess). ^^"
倉 was easy to understand if you know the Heisig keyword wasn't it?
Manga Study/Translation Group - Tobberoth - 2009-05-02
I'd prefer to read the スザンヌ part >_>
EDIT: Well, I just read it all... is it just me or is it already insanely obvious what the "mystery" is? This is obviously a manga for kids and all but one would think they could be less obvious about it.
Manga Study/Translation Group - sheetz - 2009-05-02
Can some people please post on the MH thread? I can't double post there, and there are parts of the text I don't understand. Like what the heck is オメーラ?
Manga Study/Translation Group - kimagure - 2009-05-02
オメーラ is a casual pronunciation of お前ら(おまえら), which is a rather slangish 'you' (plural only).
Edit. So the very first line would be something like: "Aren't you guys acting unusual?". The literal translation is like: "Doesn't your behavior differ from the usual, guys?"
Manga Study/Translation Group - Codexus - 2009-05-02
sheetz Wrote:Can some people please post on the MH thread?Well, can't we have the discussion on this forum rather than MH? We wouldn't have to register to another forum and hopefully more people from these forums will be able to see what we are doing and join us.
Manga Study/Translation Group - sheetz - 2009-05-02
Codexus Wrote:But where would we hold the discussion? There currently isn't anyplace suitable on these boards, IMO. Assuming we had a new chapter discussion every week we'd soon take over an entire section.sheetz Wrote:Can some people please post on the MH thread?Well, can't we have the discussion on this forum rather than MH? We wouldn't have to register to another forum and hopefully more people from these forums will be able to see what we are doing and join us.
Manga Study/Translation Group - Codexus - 2009-05-02
I don't have the feeling that it would be unwelcome here but if that's the consensus that we should move to MH then I'll follow.
What do the others think?
Manga Study/Translation Group - sheetz - 2009-05-02
I mean the boards aren't set up for any form of Japanese literary discussion at this time. Maybe if a new section were created for that purpose we could go there and that would be great. It would be up to Fabrice.
Manga Study/Translation Group - bombpersons - 2009-05-02
I just posted on the MH thread =D It would be good if we could have a weekly thread here though!
Manga Study/Translation Group - sheetz - 2009-05-02
Much appreciated, bombperson!
I sent Fabrice a message asking if he'd be willing to add a literary discussion forum. If he agrees to it we could have the discussions here, and then I could post our collaborative translation at MH for feedback from the translators over there.
Manga Study/Translation Group - albion - 2009-05-02
I already had an account so it wasn't much of a hassle for me, but I can see why signing up to another forum just for it, and possibly extending the discussion over two sites, might be.
I think, if there's no separate forum here for this kind of stuff, having a topic (or just this one) with a centralised list of what's been done before would be helpful.
I just finished reading a book which used the word たちまち several times, which I didn't know. But I hadn't bothered writing down any examples of it, nor do I remember page numbers. So I'm glad to have this typed up, since I have an example now. And for people working with sentences, it's nice to have a variety of natural Japanese sources ready in addition to more traditional learning material.
Manga Study/Translation Group - ファブリス - 2009-05-02
@sheetz: I would be happy to create the forum, could you provide a short description of what this forum is about ? (for the forum index).
Manga Study/Translation Group - sheetz - 2009-05-02
Fabrice, thank you!
We could include the forum in the Learning Japanese section and call it, "Group Study," with the subheading, "Getting together to learn Japanese." That way it could encompass any of the other group projects that people often come up with.
Manga Study/Translation Group - ファブリス - 2009-05-02
Done. I looked for a few topics to move. Anything else please email topic links to me that you feel could be moved in that new forum. Cheers.
Manga Study/Translation Group - sheetz - 2009-05-02
You are most excellent, Fabrice-sama!
So I think the best way to organize the Conan discussion is to create a new thread for every chapter, although eventually we might need a stickied "master thread" containing links to all the separate chapter discussions.
Manga Study/Translation Group - nac_est - 2009-05-03
Hey, we could set up a fully functional manga scanlation group! With the (relatively) big number of people understanding Japanese and willing to translate we have here, it would be the fastest and most accurate group, wouldn't it?
Manga Study/Translation Group - sheetz - 2009-05-03
The admin at MH suggested we look into studying one of the newly released series. That could be fun if anybody wanted to get in on the ground floor of a series before it became "big." Go to the link for more details:
http://mangahelpers.com/news/details/165
I'm sure there are enough learners here to support multiple series, so if somebody wants to take up the reins and get another MSG going, feel free to do so.
Manga Study/Translation Group - Chandlerhimself - 2009-05-03
I'm interested in doing another manga. It seems there are a lot of people here doing Conan, so there isn't much point in having 20 people do the same thing(and I don't really like Conan that much). I'd rather start on a new manga, so if someone else wants to start one of the mangas here http://mangahelpers.com/news/details/165 let's start. I'm interested in
Akazukin Eliza (赤ずきんエリーザ)
Baka to Test to Shoukanjyuu (バカとテストと召喚獣)
Blust! (ブラスト)
Hokenshitsu no Shinigami (保健室の死神)
Loose Relation between Wizard & Apprentice(魔法使い（♂）と弟子（♀）の不適切なカンケイ)
Mana Biya (まなびや)
O-Oku Cha-Ka-Pon! (大奥チャカポン！)
If any of these appeal you you, let's get started.