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Learning with Sample Sentences - Teskal - 2009-04-20
Hi, how are you working with Sample Sentences, when your are learning with the SRS?
How does your Flashcards or Physical Cards look like?
What is on the front side and what is on the back side?
I'm working with Stackz, I can have 2 - 4 Entries, I learned the JLPT4 Vocabulary with
1. Entry: Kanji or Kana
2. Entry: Reading of Kanji
3. Entry: German meaning
But couldn't proceed with it later when I inserted the JLPT3. Ok, the Kanji made much problems.
So I becan with RtK1 and I'm at 1200 Kanji in the Moment. I hope it will be easier to learn JLPT4 and 3 vocabulary again after completing RtK1.
I found the Kim Tae Excel Sheets here in the forum and took the JLPT4 example sentences from jlptstudy.com and thought to learn more with sentences. But I'm not sure how to learn with complete sentences.
Learning with Sample Sentences - mafried - 2009-04-20
I have 3 models in my Anki deck:
KANA:
1) Production; Audio -> Kana
2) Recognition; Kana -> Audio
3) Stroke-Order; MS Mincho -> KanjiStrokeOrder
KANJI:
1) Production; Keyword -> Kanji
SENTENCES:
1) Reading; Expression (Kanji) -> Audio + Expression (Kana)
2) Dictation; Audio -> Expression (Kanji) + Expression (Kana)
I never review vocab.
Learning with Sample Sentences - Tobberoth - 2009-04-20
Mine is really simple, made in Anki of course.
Question side:
Sentence as it is, straight from a mined source.
Answer side:
Same sentence but written in just kana. The important readings are colored red so I don't have to read the whole kana sentence.
I sometimes include definitions, context or even english translations in a third field, but I use that seldom since I very rarely actually look at those.
Another thing I sometimes do is color a compound in blue. This means that the word is generally written in kana. For example, 曖昧 (aimai) and 生憎 (ainiku).
Learning with Sample Sentences - Raichu - 2009-04-20
Due to RSI problems, I've switched over to paper-based system.
On the front, I put the word, phrase or sentence as I found it.
On the back:
- If there are difficult kanji involved, I write it in kana.
- If there's an unusual word, I'll write out its definition in Japanese or English (whatever I have available).
- In many cases I have an English translation (it's an example sentence from an 和英 dictionary) so I write that down too.
When I used to use Khatzumemo, I put more effort in complete kana on the "back", but really I find that unnecessary since 80%+ of the time I have no problem with the readings.
Learning with Sample Sentences - Nukemarine - 2009-04-21
For Grammar sentences (via Tae Kim for me), it's recognition:
Ques. Kanji sentence with grammar section in bold
Ans: Kana, Audio via TTS, grammar explanation, small print English translation,
These cardss, I'm typing out the sentence in addition to reading it. (I used to write out the whole sentence. Big mistake that led to burn out. Then I wrote out just the grammar part. The typing seems best, and it gets me used to the IME (window's version, ugh).
For Vocabulary sentences (via smart.fm), it's dictation and reading cards
Ques: Kana vocab, Kana sentence, Audio of sentences, photo if there.
Ans: Kanji vocab, Kanji sentence, Audio of sentence, translation in small print.
These cards I repeat the sentence, write out the vocabulary word in kanji.
Ques: Kanji vocab, Kanji sentence, photo
Ans: Kana vocab, kana sentence, audio,
These cards, I'm reading the sentence.
After 4000 vocabulary, I'll probably use mine material for cards via subs2srs. Still debating on how I'll set those up (audio and reading as recognition? audio only with reading as the answer?).
Learning with Sample Sentences - Nukemarine - 2009-04-21
Pubbie, don't sweat too much how many people do a day. It's going to be different based on what they do and how they do it. Some do just recall, some do recall and dictation, some even do production. Even then, there's differences in how they answer (say it, write it out, write out part of it, type it, etc.). Most important, how many hours a day they study really affects this.
For myself, new sentences I start only after all my reviews are done. In two hours (the max time I give myself per day for new material), I can add about 60 new vocabulary sentences. That means I write out the word, write out the kana, then write out the sentence using the word.
However, as part of that two hours is review, I'm not going to add 60 a day. Yesterday, I only had 30 minutes left over after reviews so it was only 12 new sentences. Over time, if I'm consistent, the review time and adding new card time begin to stabilize. I'm letting the time dictate how much I review then I let the reviews in that time dictate how much I add.
For what it's worth, my reviewing involves reciting the audio and writing out the vocabulary word. I find I can do 120 mix of reading and dictation cards in an hour.
Learning with Sample Sentences - Tobberoth - 2009-04-21
I consider my vocabulary pretty big, I've already passed JLPT2 etc. While I still need to focus my efforts on vocabulary, I really can't be bothered to spend hours on adding and reviewing sentences so my current pace is about 10 new cards a day, sometimes even less. Instead, I focus my time on exposure. I read a lot of Japanese (currently reading an awesome book called ドロップ) and watch japanese TV shows etc. I feel that while pure SRSing is more effective (30 cards a day = 30 new words a day, not bad! With just reading and using context, I doubt I learn more than 2-3 new words a day and I will forget them unless they are common) I enjoy exposure a lot more and I find that I currently need the motivating factor. As JLPT1 start getting closer, I will probably up my tempo in my SRS considerably up to 20 or even 30 cards a day.
Learning with Sample Sentences - mafried - 2009-04-21
pubbie Wrote:I'm going to do 20-30, prioritizing the reviews over new cards (this actually came as a revelation to me, even though it might be obvious to the rest of you). Also how much do you guys use the Learn more / Review early buttons?I have the max new cards set to 20, and have those mixed in with my reviews. I like having some new cards in the mix, but too much and it overwhelms my failed-card pile. When I finish and I've got time, I hit that Learn more button, but never the review early.
I'm not sure if it's worth it to have new cards mixed in with the reviews... I do that mostly out of habit now. What's other people's experience with that?