KanjiMood Wrote:I'm currently on frame 925. Today is the day I finally reach 1000.

I did a review of 200 characters in RevTk this morning. 100 new (800-900) and 100 expired. Out of the new ones I got 12 wrong which is pretty good compared to before, again these characters will only get much stronger in my mind in the coming days. I was a bit scared as I found 800-900 the toughest yet for some reason. For the 100 expired cards I only got 3 wrong; tale, stirred up and ooze. I got ooze wrong because I forgot the heart was the invariable one.

900-925 seem very easy so far, much more enjoyable than yesterday's characters.

CarolinaCG: You may need to increase the time you spend on it a little beyond 4 hours but its probably workable. I can remember the story because I think about each new one three times on the day I first learn the character. Once when I first learn the character, once after finishing a set of 25 (I also type it in at this stage which helps a lot) and then once at the end of the day. It's normal to forget the stories at any of those stages so don't worry about it you'll pick it up eventually. Once I can remember the story I can remember the character, soon after that you will find yourself remembering the character before the story.

I also think reviewing a new set of 100 characters at the same time is good because you can learn the primitives better. Like today I got interment wrong but in turn that helped me remember death later on. This lowers your failure rate and helps your learning progress. I don't think its like cheating because the next time the card comes up without any primitives beforehand you'll be able to draw on that experience and remember it correctly without the help.

KanjiMood Wrote:Sorry blackmacros I missed your post. That's great you can get the gist of things by frame 1085, I'm starting to feel the same and want to learn the kana sooner rather than later.

As for burnout - I rested for three days after 7 days of 100 kanji because I got the flu. I wouldn't of rested otherwise but it helped and hindered me at the same time. I'm back in the mood for kanji now so I don't know how I will feel in another 7 days but sometimes I do feel its like a chore at times. Do you really feel worn out? Or do you feel "oh no, I have to do 100 kanji today"? I feel the latter often, but it usually wears out by the time I've done a few reviews as that gets me energized again.

blackmacros Wrote:Just thought I'd pop in and add my 2 cents.

I've been doing RtK1 for about 25 days now and on frame 1085. That is just above an average of 40/day.

However, I have been on holiday (ahhh the life of a Uni student) this past week and in that time jumped from 400 to my current frame of 1085. That is 685 in one week, or around 98/day average. So I can say from personal experience that 100/day is most definitely possible.

My process goes something like this:

1. See kanji and break it down into elements
2. Immediately close my eyes and visualise how those elements fit together in my imagination.
3. Attempt to create a story that links that image to the keyword- the ones I remember best are the ones I can accomplish this for, because when I see a kanji later I will tend to immediately imagine my initial set of images even if I couldn't make those images work with the meaning. This step takes me maybe 30 seconds at most.
4. Enter the kanji and related story into Anki
5. Write out the kanji once. If I have difficulty writing it, I might write it a few times to practice the form.
6. Repeat

This takes me about 2 minutes per Kanji, usually. I can get through around 25 kanji in 45 minutes of study. So 100 takes me 3 hours of study split throughout the day.

In terms of reviews, Anki tells me that I have a 94.5% retention rate or 1384/1464 reviews remembered successfully.

Having said that, this is my 7th day at this pace and I feel really burnt out- I only managed about 60 today. I'm looking forward to Uni starting again when I will go back to between 30-50 a day.

As an aside, I picked up volume 1 of the Death note manga a few days ago and was absolutely overjoyed to find that I could read quite a bit of it (by which I mean I could infer the gist of a sentence, phrase or fragment) thanks in part to Heisig and in part to my nearly 24/7 immersion in the anime over the past 3 weeks. Really gave me a boost in confidence.

Hope I've added something to this conversation :-)

KanjiMood Wrote:Sorry blackmacros I missed your post. That's great you can get the gist of things by frame 1085, I'm starting to feel the same and want to learn the kana sooner rather than later.

As for burnout - I rested for three days after 7 days of 100 kanji because I got the flu. I wouldn't of rested otherwise but it helped and hindered me at the same time. I'm back in the mood for kanji now so I don't know how I will feel in another 7 days but sometimes I do feel its like a chore at times. Do you really feel worn out? Or do you feel "oh no, I have to do 100 kanji today"? I feel the latter often, but it usually wears out by the time I've done a few reviews as that gets me energized again.

Tzadeck Wrote:I think jorgebucaran loves you all so very much, he just doesn't know how to show it.

jorgebucaran Wrote:24/7 anime immersion (just like a friend I have that claims he knows a lot Japanese just to watch anime but the truth is besides a few words that's bullshit)

You are probably the greatest bullshit story teller ever, maybe only after those self-proclaimed religious pundit and other fundamentalist morons.

Some people here are doing a misservice to others looking to actually learn Japanese.

Tobberoth Wrote:

jorgebucaran Wrote:24/7 anime immersion (just like a friend I have that claims he knows a lot Japanese just to watch anime but the truth is besides a few words that's bullshit)

You are probably the greatest bullshit story teller ever, maybe only after those self-proclaimed religious pundit and other fundamentalist morons.

Some people here are doing a misservice to others looking to actually learn Japanese.

It's a hyperbole, not bullshitting. Bullshitting would be saying he learned Japanese to JLPT1 level in 4 months. A flat out lie, more or less. Saying he has 24/7 anime immersion is just a hyperbole since we all know that's physically impossible since sleep, eating, going to the toilet etc factors in. He's just saying he's watching a lot of anime.

Tobberoth Wrote:It's a hyperbole, not bullshitting. Bullshitting would be saying he learned Japanese to JLPT1 level in 4 months. A flat out lie, more or less. Saying he has 24/7 anime immersion is just a hyperbole since we all know that's physically impossible since sleep, eating, going to the toilet etc factors in. He's just saying he's watching a lot of anime.

julz6453 Wrote:

Tobberoth Wrote:It's a hyperbole, not bullshitting. Bullshitting would be saying he learned Japanese to JLPT1 level in 4 months. A flat out lie, more or less. Saying he has 24/7 anime immersion is just a hyperbole since we all know that's physically impossible since sleep, eating, going to the toilet etc factors in. He's just saying he's watching a lot of anime.

Exactly. (-_-#) There is no need to flame other people just because they used a hyperbole, or are doing well with their kanji studies!

jorgebucaran Wrote:So watching anime all day is a hyperbole but studying Kanji (pretty much all day) overly successfully while coping with other stuff is not a hyperbole, is true and even if it sounds far away from common sense is nothing like bullshit.

I see.

julz6453 Wrote:

jorgebucaran Wrote:So watching anime all day is a hyperbole but studying Kanji (pretty much all day) overly successfully while coping with other stuff is not a hyperbole, is true and even if it sounds far away from common sense is nothing like bullshit.

I see.

3 hours of kanji study a day is not "all day". Yes, some people are better at retention than others. And note blackmacros has been on holiday for the past week.

Not trying to start an argument, but I like to take people at face value unless they're proven to be otherwise. As KanjiMood and others have shown us, some people are highly capable of doing circa 100 kanji a day, and still having high retention rates.

@blackmacros: I wouldn't worry about the burn-out. You've got two choices, really - either press on like a trooper or be a wimp like me and take a break from kanji. (Just kidding.) But personally, I find it better not to force myself. I still do reviews as normal, but I don't force myself if I'm really burned out with new ones.

blackmacros Wrote:So 100 takes me 3 hours of study split throughout the day.

Minder Wrote:Its an expression. He's saying that he was listening to it a lot. Calm down, he wasn't trying to say that he was attached to his ipod all day listening to anime, but that he was listening to it at every opportunity.

I could eat a horse.
I need to sleep for a year I'm so damn tired.
My teacher's the devil.

These are hyperboles. People understand that they are exaggerations and are not intended to be understood literally, but to express that something is an extreme amount.

This is not 'bullshitting' because if it is understood correctly you know that it is an exaggeration. This means you failed to understand what he was saying.

What other stuff are these 100-kanji-ers coping with? Have they made claims as to what their lifestyles are like? I'm a college student and I have copious amounts of time to allocate as I see fit. This means that I have nearly unlimited amounts of time to study (if I had these guys' willpower :p). Right now I have over 12 hours of free time per day because I'm in a lull before finals.

I honestly find it hilarious how you think its impossible to do this. Its just a few kanji, dude. And this is WITH mnemonics to aid your recall.

Some people are really dedicated and can put in lots of effort. These people exist. They may be rare, it might be unlikely that any random individual has the amount of willpower, motivation, and time to do something like this, but that doesn't mean that it goes 'against common sense' to accept that these types of things ARE POSSIBLE.

Earlier it sounded like you suggested you were not a native English speaker. Maybe you don't understand the gravity of the word 'bullshit', or you're just incapable of being more subtle about your accusations. Either way, please think and realize that there are people who have crazy motivation, willpower, and time, and that although it may be statistically unlikely that KanjiMood and others fall into this category, it is still statistically possible, and, therefore, not ridiculous or 'bullshit', just unlikely.

I'm glad that you're bringing a critical eye to what people are claiming, and I respect that you feel that these accomplishments are outside of human capacity, but I hope you understand that there are incredible people who can do incredible things. I hope that in the future you bring these critiques with a little more respect and with the idea of "innocent until proven guilty".

ryuudou Wrote:Oh another question. For the beast that do 100 kanji/day how do you handle failed cards in Anki(the soon button I think)? It's confusing because on RevTK they don't get rescheduled for review but on Anki they automatically do.

Brokenvai Wrote:Yes! Finally! My book arrived today!!!
Well, I'm going to set up a schedule. Probably something similar to Kanjimood's.
25 when I wake up, 25 after breakfast. Go to school. Get back, do homework or whatever(I am a high school student), review the last 50 Kanji that day, then do 25 more, take a break and/or review yesterday's kanji, or the ones needed to be reviewed. Then 25 after that.

I dunno about you guys, but just setting up a schedule is motivating for me.
It helped me get from a B- average to an A average in grades.

But anyways, yeah.
It makes me sooo happy to hear about your progress Kanjimood!!!
Although me, and everyone else, groans at every post that jorgebucaran makes, it truly is great motivation to work on Kanji when you're doing 100 a day.

jorgebucaran Wrote:I think that is human nature to bullshit everyone and ourselves.
(...)
"Maybe you are right, or maybe you should go f.u.c.k yourself"
(...)
You are probably the greatest bullshit story teller ever, maybe only after those self-proclaimed religious pundit and other fundamentalist morons.