jorgebucaran Wrote:But even if you do that, how can you truly remember 100 Kanji in a day? There is a limit even if you are some indigo kid like the guy that learned Icelandic in a week or something (so they say).

Tzadeck Wrote:

jorgebucaran Wrote:But even if you do that, how can you truly remember 100 Kanji in a day? There is a limit even if you are some indigo kid like the guy that learned Icelandic in a week or something (so they say).

You're just using your own experiences and anecdotal evidence, which is never a good way to know anything. You might very well be right, you might very well be wrong, but basically you're just making this up. I don't think that's a strong enough background in human psychology to insist that people who say they are learning 100 kanji a day are bullshitting us.

jorgebucaran Wrote:That is like 5 minutes for each Kanji. So I spend about 3 hours learning 25~30 Kanji because it's almost impossible to focus continuously for more than 2 hours.

Tzadeck Wrote:

jorgebucaran Wrote:But even if you do that, how can you truly remember 100 Kanji in a day? There is a limit even if you are some indigo kid like the guy that learned Icelandic in a week or something (so they say).

You're just using your own experiences and anecdotal evidence, which is never a good way to know anything. You might very well be right, you might very well be wrong, but basically you're just making this up. I don't think that's a strong enough background in human psychology to insist that people who say they are learning 100 kanji a day are bullshitting us.

mafried Wrote:

jorgebucaran Wrote:That is like 5 minutes for each Kanji. So I spend about 3 hours learning 25~30 Kanji because it's almost impossible to focus continuously for more than 2 hours.

So don't do it continuously. Split it into manageable chunks and study multiple times during the day. KanjiMood says he reviews 4 times a day. 4x25=100.

(Plus 5 minutes/kanji seems a little high too. Maybe you're spending too much 'learning' a kanji that could better be spent on other things?).

jorgebucaran Wrote:I am actually doing RevTK with someone I know (the other one from Venezuela). But you are right, I am completely making up that said but honestly I can't help to do it because common sense tells me is impossible. Someone is a flying spaghetti monster here.

Of course there is a large array of shades here, maybe there is some true to it, of course there is, but just the way it currently is: *ridiculous*.

activeaero Wrote:And in terms of visualizing a story that should take all of maybe 30 seconds

KanjiMood Wrote:Currently on frame 825. I just reviewed 700 to 800 for the first time in RevTk (the ones I did yesterday) and got about 12 wrong. Not too bad, I've had worse for new cards. A few days and they should be solid. I also reviewed 117 expired cards and got about 6 wrong, a bit more worrying but nothing serious (I got burglar mixed up with thief). Officially back in the groove now

activeaero Wrote:

jorgebucaran Wrote:I am actually doing RevTK with someone I know (the other one from Venezuela). But you are right, I am completely making up that said but honestly I can't help to do it because common sense tells me is impossible. Someone is a flying spaghetti monster here.

Of course there is a large array of shades here, maybe there is some true to it, of course there is, but just the way it currently is: *ridiculous*.

Your posts are pretty darn ignorant and condescending, IMO.

5 minutes per Kanji and writing it 10 times? Sorry but if you're doing this then you have the unrealistic method. If you come up with a good story you don't even need to write the Kanji once. Yeah it is preferred, but definitely not necessary, and you definitely don't need to do it 10 times. If you're doing that then you didn't make a good story.

And in terms of visualizing a story that should take all of maybe 30 seconds, seriously. Set a stop watch for yourself and see just how long 30 seconds is to sit there and visualize a story. Let's then tack on another minute for the time spent going to the next Kanji (which should be super fast if you're using the study section of this site). Well that's 2.5hrs per day for new Kanji. If you don't think 2.5hrs of concentration is possible when spread out over an entire day then you've obviously never had a very demanding job before lol.

For reviews: If you don't know it within 10 seconds then you should be failing it. I have no clue what you're talking about with having to rearrange the story in your head and then writing it out several more times. If you learned the story well the first time it should pop into your head right away as you are writing it down, which you should only have to do once, and some people don't even do that with the ones they know really well.

Well that's another 1hr and 20 minutes if we assume an AVERAGE review rate of 500 cards per day for a grand total of about 3hrs and 50 minutes. We'll throw in another 30 minutes for miscellaneous reasons and you're now at 4hrs and 20 minutes per day. 4 1/2 hrs of study spread out over the average 16hrs a person is awake is incredibly possible for someone that is dedicated and has the time.

And the reason I know this sounds right is because for the last couple of weeks I did 50+ per day while working 40+hrs per week and attending college. It was hard, no doubt, but was nowhere near being what I would call "insane" so doing 100 per day with lots of free time is completely possible for those individuals that are truly dedicated and passionate.


Stop defining the abilities of others on your own limitations.

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Tobberoth Wrote:I could easily learn 100 kanji in less than 2 hours. That's about 2 minutes of looking the kanji over, splitting it into parts, creating a story of those parts and visualise it clearly in my head, then connecting the keyword to that visual image.

KanjiMood Wrote:I'm on frame 850. Man, mandala has to be the worst primitive yet. I'll have to do something with that one..

Jarvik7 Wrote:Each eye works independently.
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He was talking about METRIC hours.

KanjiMood Wrote:I'm on frame 850. Man, mandala has to be the worst primitive yet. I'll have to do something with that one..

Mandala worked fine for me, but I have had to study a fair amount of Japanese & Chinese & Indian religion, religious literature, and religious art (including mandalas)...

CarolinaCG Wrote:I suppose you can memorize the stories, I can only remember the meaning, but I know the stories would be useful to remember the kanji.

julz6453 Wrote:The key with Heisig's method isn't memorising stories - it's creating stories and visualising them. When you say the English word "tree", you automatically think of the big green leafy thing. The key with the Heisig keywords is to create a story that imprints a vivid image in your mind. It's not a matter of memorising set stories, though sometimes mnemonics work better than stories for some kanji. Eventually, you'll have the kanji memorised so well you won't even need the story.

For posterity's sake, here's an example. For the kanji æ…¢ (ridicule), I have a mental picture of this guy sitting in the sunlight with his mandala, trying to reach an enlightened state of mind... and then a crowd surrounding him, ridiculing him for it.

It's not about memorising stories - it's vivid mental images that really make these kanji sink in.

CarolinaCG Wrote:Problem is that I can't make stories. So far I've only made one, for the kanji 只, where I imagined a mouth and 2 legs.
Nevertheless, I'm on frame 66 now and I'm get all the kanji right. Without having made any stories. Is this bad?

Tobberoth Wrote:It's not bad but it probably won't hold. The first kanji are really simple and there's very few primitives to keep in mind. Later in the book, you will probably find that you keep mixing up kanji, using the wrong primitives etc. At that point, you would do well to start creating stories.