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Suggestions for language learning (excerpt from a book) - Ben_Nielson - 2009-03-21 This is just a quick excerpt from "Polyglot: How I Learn Languages" by Kato Lomb. I saw this link on AJATT earlier today and the book just stole a few hours of my life. I can barely read through that guy's posts (good info, crazy writing style), but he always posts the best links.Anyways, this was a really great read. Towards the end (p. 159), there was a list of 10 things to do and 10 things not to do concerning language learning. Thought it was really interesting, so posting it here. -------------------- Quote:The thoughts distilled in the course of my linguistic excursions are organized into the little compendium below. Heaven forbid that we should call them Ten Commandments—let us perhaps call them Ten Requests. Suggestions for language learning (excerpt from a book) - seminotti - 2009-03-21 Ben_Nielson Wrote:4.Well, this is an advice you hear pretty often, but I think it depends on your level at the language. I'll try to give some examples of my personal experience. Japanese Currently, I know japanese elementary grammar, poor vocabulary and a few sentences that you come across with a hundred times while watching anime. In this case, every word that jumps out and I can catch creates an opportunity for me to learn something new. "Build comprehension on what you already know", but if you don't know anything...Then just look up at the dictionary! ![]() English Mine is said to be advanced (by people who can't speak, probably), but I still have to improve a lot, and I want to achieve native level. I've always followed this recommendation, and never bothered about checking words I don't know. These days I've been trying to proceed in a different way though. Maybe it's too early, and I surely need to read more, but it's been really productive. Portuguese Well, this is my first language. And when it comes to it, I think we all tend to be a little arrogant about it. I mean, we can guess the meaning by the context, and it feels a bit frustrating to depend on a dictionary. But I've been thinking, maybe it would be no bad idea to go for a change, like in the former situation. Suggestions for language learning (excerpt from a book) - Jeromin - 2009-03-21 Rule number IX is very important: Irish students of German I knew were very good at writing, but afraid of speaking, afraid of making mistakes. They had learn in a mostly written environment. I was asked by my teachers if I had studied with Berlitz, because of my confident speaking. I said no, I had lived in Germany and all my classmates were long term residents, none shy to talk either, and with amazing vocabularies. Someone once told me that correcting others when they spoke is actually harmful, which I find odd, because my German girlfriend ( from which I took no advantage of to learn German, perils of being in love ) learnt Spanish with my relentless correcting, in record time. Maybe she could take criticism better than others... As for living in Germany, I think it can be simulated with German Satellite TV and SW (or Internet ) radio, German flatmates, German girlfriend and German lessons. Here in Dublin there's plenty of all these to recreate the real experience. I don't know how well it'd work with Japanese. The ubiquitous written ads and signs would be a big loss, for sure. J Suggestions for language learning (excerpt from a book) - phauna - 2009-03-21 Jeromin Wrote:Someone once told me that correcting others when they spoke is actually harmful, which I find odd, because my German girlfriend ( from which I took no advantage of to learn German, perils of being in love ) learnt Spanish with my relentless correcting, in record time. Maybe she could take criticism better than others...At the really beginning stages, if you correct every mistake you will be stopping a person after every word they say. This of course makes them hate talking. Usually people make the same kind of mistake many times in a row, so perhaps choose the biggest mistakes to correct and leave the smaller ones. For example, tense use is usually very important, whereas using the wrong singular or plural isn't so much of a problem. At the intermediate level it is perhaps okay to correct everything, and a good way to do it is to have the other person say the sentence back to you without explaining anything, just modelling. It takes quite a knack to do this so unless you have a long term language partner, such as your girlfriend, then it's not worth the bother trying to teach someone to do it. Anyway, here's an example. Bad way to correct someone: A - I goed to the park yesterday. B - No, you shouldn't say that. The past tense of go isn't goed, it is went. Go has five forms in English, go, goes, going, went, gone. A - Oh, sorry, sorry, I'm stupid. (*Goes and kills themselves*) Good way to correct someone: A - I goed to the park yesterday. B - You went to the park yesterday? (Stressing the word 'went') A - Yes, I went to the park yesterday and I saw a big, black dog....(etc.) Why something is wrong is kind of irrelevant in the middle of the conversation. You can have long grammar analysis after you've finished your conversation. The idea is to correct someone without ruining the flow of the conversation with tangents and unrelated things. Also the second method is faster and shorter, not as much an interruption. Suggestions for language learning (excerpt from a book) - Asriel - 2009-03-21 phauna Wrote:Good way to correct someone:This is very true. At my school, our TAs are all studying long term for either linguistics or language acquisition (they're PhD students, so they're in it for the long haul) and this is how we are corrected these days. Of course, at this stage, we are the "3rd Year" students, so we can already have full-on conversations with them, and often do (we have a conversation table every friday). It fits in very naturally into the conversation, almost as if the teacher is listening and confirming they understand the story right. Not only that, but I always realize that what I said was wrong, and either subconsciously or consciously correct it from then on. Very effective. Suggestions for language learning (excerpt from a book) - Ben_Nielson - 2009-03-21 Yup, the key is to make it not even seem like you're correcting them. I absolutely love it when people I'm talking to in Japanese do this. It doesn't make you feel stupid and is crazy beneficial. More often than not, the person knows the rule already just didn't think about it quickly enough in the flow of conversation. Again, as the author noted, being corrected is pretty unlikely. Which sucks, but you basically do need a longterm language partner or a teacher for someone to correct you. |