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What after Tae Kim?? - hotkiller123 - 2009-02-27
Hey,
I was wondering about how to go about grammar after doing most of Tae Kim? Because I really want to continue grammar after because I think it's a relatively fun thing to learn.
Does anybody know a good follow up, preferably also including colloquial grammar.
Also I noticed (in manga) that sometimes when a な is placed at the end of a sentence that it turns the sentence negative; is my interpretation correct, is this colloquial, and does this function depend a lot on the intonation of the sentence...
Thnx for any reply that may come
What after Tae Kim?? - nac_est - 2009-02-27
Perhaps you are referring to something like this:「廊下を走るな」（ろうかをはしるな, don't run in the corridor!）. In that case it's practically a negative imperative (in casual speech), and it has nothing to do with the な particle as far as I know.
Anyway you should infer grammar from the stuff you read and listen to, like you seem to be already doing with manga. I think it's more fun that way, too.
What after Tae Kim?? - hotkiller123 - 2009-02-27
@nac-est
yeah, that's what i'm referring to, thanks (was just checking if what i thought was correct)
What after Tae Kim?? - woodwojr - 2009-02-27
I'm pretty sure it is the な particle; "negative imperative" is a reasonable description, and it's also used for emphasis. Some other examples of the negative-ish use:
生きて帰ると思うな
二度と来るな
人の妹に手を出すな
あんた言うな
~J
What after Tae Kim?? - pm215 - 2009-02-27
woodwojr Wrote:I'm pretty sure it is the な particle; "negative imperative" is a reasonable description, and it's also used for emphasis.It seems to me less confusing to distinguish the な sentence ending particle ("(sentence end, mainly masc.) indicates emotion or emphasis") from the fact that the verb inflection for imperative-form, negative, plain-form happens to be the dictionary form of the verb with な appended. 走るな is to 走らない as 走れ is to 走る .
What after Tae Kim?? - Smackle - 2009-02-27
This is actually covered in Tae Kim's guide.
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/requests.html#part5
What after Tae Kim?? - mr_hans_moleman - 2009-02-28
Go out in the real Japanese world. It's basically Tae kim's lessons mixed and match lol.
What after Tae Kim?? - bombpersons - 2009-02-28
Just read and listen to real japanese, sometimes you'll get grammer you don't know, but most often it's things like: にとっては、対して etc, which you can all figure out with rikaichan. Or if you want an explanation, http://jgram.org/ is useful...I don't know how reliable the sentences are, so I don't use them, but they are useful for understanding the concept.