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RTK3: easy kanji - laxxy - 2006-11-10
Most people probably won't proceed to RTK3 in its' entirety immediately after RTK1, but I wonder if one could make a short list of RTK3 characters that are either:
-very easy (梟, 鮨, etc), or
-very common (誰、頃, etc).
Then one could perhaps browse through like 50-100 of such characters, probably memorizing many of them without too much effort.
Maybe with enough reviewers these could be determined by just looking at the recall rates (similarly how I looked at the review statistics for RTK1 recently).
RTK3: easy kanji - astridtops - 2006-11-11
For now (given the mostly lack of story contributors), I suspect that only a handful people are doing RTK3 kanji at the moment. Not nearly enough for analysis, as you already suspected. Most people who finish RTK1 prefer to do more reading or vocab oriented study.
I would suggest going another road: having people who actually live in Japan and use the language and the kanji daily give an estimate of how frequent a certain kanji is encountered. For me, the motivation to do RTK3 came from the compound for chair, 椅子 (いす), which is actually a part of the JLPT4. Well, probably not the kanji, but the word. Since I hate learning things twice, I figured that many of these kanji were actually needed and used. But I don't live in Japan, or am good enough with the language to make that difference, I'm sure other people could differentiate far better in how common a kanji actually is.
RTK3: easy kanji - CharleyGarrett - 2006-11-12
I'm working on RTK3, and I pretty frequently wonder "Why didn't he introduce this kanji before?" I guess you have to draw the line somewhere. It's not 常用 じょうよう kanji, and it's not common, but it is used in RTK1 as a primative. Sometimes Heisig DOES mention it, but other times not. Of course, I'm noticing from my reading of Japanese that I bump into quite a few non-常用 じょうよう kanji. I suppose it also depends on the sort of genre you like to read, which non-常用 じょうよう kanji you're going to bump into.
RTK3: easy kanji - Pangolin - 2006-11-12
One other RTK3 kanji which I think should have been in RTK1 is 俺 (おれ) which is seen even in young people's manga in kanji form. People refer to themselves as おれ far more commonly in manga, I suspect, than in real life!
I remember saving a list of frequently occuring non-常用 a couple of years ago, I think it originated from someone on the sci.lang.japan news group. I can't remember where I found it but I think it might be this:
http://dict.risukun.com/HighFreqNonJouyou.htm
which links from here, which is a look up engine with some interesting features:
http://dict.risukun.com/
RTK3: easy kanji - JimmySeal - 2006-11-13
astridtops Wrote:For me, the motivation to do RTK3 came from the compound for chair, 椅子 (いす).いす is a very common word, but the kanji would very rarely appear without furigana, and certainly wouldn't be tested on any level of JLPT lower than 1 (and probably not 1 either).
This goes for a lot of kanji. The word 奇麗 is written with Joyo kanji that appear in RTK 1, but this too would probably have furigana most of the time.
RTK3: easy kanji - laxxy - 2006-11-13
Pangolin Wrote:One other RTK3 kanji which I think should have been in RTK1 is 俺 (おれ) which is seen even in young people's manga in kanji form. People refer to themselves as おれ far more commonly in manga, I suspect, than in real life!Thanks, that's a nice link.
I remember saving a list of frequently occuring non-常用 a couple of years ago, I think it originated from someone on the sci.lang.japan news group. I can't remember where I found it but I think it might be this:
http://dict.risukun.com/HighFreqNonJouyou.htm
RTK3: easy kanji - mspertus - 2006-11-13
JimmySeal Wrote:That might not be true on the internet. For example, it's the first word (without furigana) at http://www.chairs.jp/.astridtops Wrote:For me, the motivation to do RTK3 came from the compound for chair, 椅子 (いす).いす is a very common word, but the kanji would very rarely appear without furigana....
RTK3: easy kanji - astridtops - 2006-11-14
JimmySeal Wrote:I'm quite sure I encountered it at least once in a Japanese text without furigana. I can't claim I read a lot of Japanese, though... I remember it so well, because my eye fell on it, and I was angry that I couldn't remember which kanji it was, as it looked so familiar. I grabbed my RTK1 to look it up, and then found out it wasn't a kanji of the official list.astridtops Wrote:For me, the motivation to do RTK3 came from the compound for chair, 椅子 (いす).いす is a very common word, but the kanji would very rarely appear without furigana, and certainly wouldn't be tested on any level of JLPT lower than 1 (and probably not 1 either).
This goes for a lot of kanji. The word 奇麗 is written with Joyo kanji that appear in RTK 1, but this too would probably have furigana most of the time.
RTK3: easy kanji - Pangolin - 2006-11-14
The list I was thinking of wasn't the one on risukun.com (although I'm glad I found that one), but from Jim Breen's site at Monash.
http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/jouyoukanji.html
This gives the 常用 plus kanji used for names and 2 lists of "Other Occasionally Encountered Kanji". One "purported to be needed for the JLPT1" and another compiled by Paul Blay a sci.lang.japan stalwart (this is newsgroup that Jim Breen also posts on occasionally, or use to).
RTK3: easy kanji - raulir - 2006-12-09
FWIW, here's the intersection of heisig 3 kanjis and my "reading" flash card set. I add kanjis to the reading set when I can recognize them from a list without context and remember one word for them (including which part of the word they're used for). This magical "oh, looks like I know this kanji now, too!" thing mostly happens for relatively common kanjis in the texts I read, and I only read modern stuff (almost all written in the last 10, all in last 50 years; mostly manga and books written for a young audience and random stuff/chat on the net). There may be a few that have stuck when I've looked things up in a dictionary, though.
In the end, I think that the best list for you is the one you make yourself, as people read different things and a kanji common to one person may be extremely rare to another. (e.g. 劫 is here because it is used as a Go term, and is probably somewhat obscure to non-Go players; even in Go it is more commonly written in katakana. Still, there are some people in the world who can only recognize a handful of kanjis, including this one, because it is used in some Japanese Go problem books they have. Maybe some Buddhists, too, but I wouldn't know about those.)
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RTK3: easy kanji - laxxy - 2006-12-09
That does look like a very nice list, thanks!
RTK3: easy kanji - Pangolin - 2006-12-09
Thanks for the list, I've been think about this since I posted the lists above ("Other Occasionally Encountered Kanji" and kanji "purported to be needed for the JLPT1"). After reading wrightak's "High speed RTK1" thread, I came to the conclusion that although I'm not keen on streamlining RTK1, doing the same with 3 might be another matter.
As RTK3 is structured with all new primitives at the beginning (there are around 50) it's logical and relatively easy to learn these, but after that, there doesn't seem to be any great disadvantage in picking and choosing which kanji to learn (other than in having to keep track of which ones you have learned).
So if this is the case, a condensed list of more commonly seen RTK3 kanji could be compiled, students would have the option of learning these first, and then perhaps filling in the gaps later.
I compared your list with the ones I mentioned above from Jim Breen's site, and interestingly there had 129 in common - about half of your list! Combining them would create a list of 399 kanji (the kanji in Jim Breen's list contained RTK1 non-jouyou kanji, and I have eliminated those):
丼 也 云 些 仇 仔 伽 佃 俄 俺 倶 僅 僑 僻 儲 兎 兜 其 冥 冴 凄 凧 剃 剥 劫 勃 匂 匙 匡 卿 厨 叉 叩 叱 叶 吊 吠 吻 呆 呑 呟 呪 咀 咎 咳 哨 唄 唖 唾 喉 喋 喧 喰 嘗 嘘 嘩 噂 噌 噛 囁 國 坐 垢 埴 堆 堰 堵 塞 塵 壕 壷 壽 妖 妬 妾 姐 姑 姥 姦 姪 娼 嫉 嬉 寓 尖 尤 尻 屁 屍 崖 嵌 巫 巴 巽 巾 庇 庵 廻 弥 忽 怯 恰 悉 悶 惚 惣 惹 憑 憧 或 戚 戴 拭 拳 拶 挨 挫 挺 捉 捲 捺 捻 掴 掻 揃 摺 撒 撚 撫 撰 斐 斑 斧 斬 於 旺 昏 昧 晒 暢 曖 曙 曝 杓 杖 杭 枕 柴 柵 柿 桁 桶 梟 棘 棲 椅 椎 楕 楯 榊 槌 槍 樺 樽 橘 櫛 欝 此 歪 殆 毅 毬 氾 汎 汝 汰 汲 沌 沙 泪 洩 淋 淫 淵 湧 溜 溢 溺 潰 澱 濠 濡 灘 灼 炒 焚 煉 煎 煽 燐 燕 爺 爽 牌 牢 狐 狗 狙 狸 狼 獅 玩 玲 珈 琲 瑞 甥 甦 畿 痕 痩 癌 眉 眩 睨 瞭 砦 碗 磯 祇 禿 稀 稽 窺 竣 竿 筈 箸 篭 籠 籤 粟 粥 糞 紐 紘 絆 綜 綴 綺 綻 綾 緋 繋 繍 纂 纏 罵 翔 耀 肘 股 肴 腎 腑 腔 腫 腺 膝 膳 臆 臼 舵 芯 苅 苔 苛 苛 苺 茅 茜 茸 茹 莫 萌 萎 萩 葛 葱 葵 蒔 蒼 蓋 蔭 蕎 藁 藍 蘇 蘭 虻 蛋 蛙 蛾 蜂 蝋 蝕 蝿 螺 裡 裾 覗 訊 訣 詣 詫 詮 誰 諜 諦 諺 謎 讃 讐 豹 貌 貰 貼 賑 跨 蹴 躇 躊 轍 轟 轡 辿 迂 迄 迦 這 逢 遥 那 酎 醒 醤 采 釘 釜 銚 鋏 鋲 錆 錫 鍋 鍵 鎚 閃 閏 闇 隈 隙 隼 雀 雁 雛 雫 霞 鞄 鞍 鞭 頃 頓 頬 顎 餅 餌 馳 馴 騙 髭 鮨 鯖 鯛 鰯 鱈 鱗 鳳 鴨 鵜 鷲 鷹 鹸 麹 麺 黛 鼠 鼾 龍
(Note that Jim Breen's list has non-RTK3 kanji in it, so those are included above.)
Raulir, if you are interested, the kanji from Jim Breen's lists that were NOT in yours are as follows:
伽 佃 俄 僑 僻 其 匡 卿 呟 咀 哨 埴 堆 堰 堵 壕 姑 姥 娼 寓 巴 巽 庵 悉 惣 戴 挺 捲 捺 摺 撒 撚 斑 暢 曙 曝 柴 柿 楕 榊 樺 樽 橘 櫛 毅 汎 沌 淵 潰 澱 濠 濡 灘 炒 牌 獅 玩 瑞 畿 睨 磯 祇 稽 窺 竣 竿 籠 粟 粥 紘 綜 綴 綻 繍 纂 纏 腎 腔 腫 腺 膳 臼 茅 茜 茹 萩 葛 葱 蓋 虻 蛋 詣 讃 讐 賑 跨 轍 采 銚 錫 閏 隼 雁 霞 鞍 頓 馳 鰯 鵜 麹 黛
By the way, is there a spreadsheet or other digital format list of the RTK3 kanji floating around?
RTK3: easy kanji - raulir - 2006-12-09
Kanjidic lists heisig indices for kanjis. It's not difficult to get the list of heisig 3 kanjis from those.
RTK3: easy kanji - cjon256 - 2006-12-19
Thanks for this helpful list, here's a little more help for anyone wanting to use this list. Sorry that it's so long, and that some keywords could be wrong (i.e. I haven't checked them at all), so any corrections are welcome!
此 H2043 this here
柴 H2044 brushwood
砦 H2045 fort
些 H2046 whit
髭 H2047 beard
燐 H2052 phosphorus
鱗 H2054 scaled
庵 H2056 hermitage
俺 H2058 myself
竣 H2062 complete a job
臼 H2063 mortar
鼠 H2065 mouse
綴 H2073 mend
妖 H2078 bewitched
呑 H2080 quaff
籤 H2082 lottery
雛 H2085 chick
尤 H2087 understandable
稽 H2088 training
采 H2090 grab
或 H2091 a
斬 H2092 chop off
兎 H2093 rabbit
也 H2094 est [to be (classical)]
巴 H2096 comma-design
巾 H2101 towel
云 H2102 quote
莫 H2105 shalt
俄 H2110 abrupt
佃 H2111 work a field
仔 H2113 animal offspring
仇 H2114 foe
伽 H2115 look after
僅 H2116 trifle
僻 H2117 biased
儲 H2118 make a profit
僑 H2120 emigrant
倶 H2124 mate
凄 H2133 uncanny
冴 H2134 sharp
凧 H2139 kite
鳳 H2142 phoenix
剥 H2145 peel off
剃 H2146 shave
匂 H2147 aroma
雁 H2150 wild goose
厨 H2152 kitchen
哨 H2154 scout
咎 H2156 reprehend
囁 H2157 whisper
喋 H2158 chatter
嘩 H2160 quarrel
噂 H2161 gossip
咳 H2162 cough
喧 H2163 clamour
喉 H2164 throat
唾 H2165 saliva
叩 H2166 bash
嘘 H2167 fib
呪 H2169 curse
吠 H2170 barking
吊 H2171 dangle
噛 H2172 chew
叶 H2173 within my ability
吻 H2174 sides of the mouth
噌 H2177 miso
唄 H2178 pop song
叱 H2179 scold
呆 H2181 dumbfounded
喰 H2182 ingest
埴 H2183 clay
堆 H2185 piled high
壕 H2186 dugout
垢 H2187 blemish
堰 H2191 dam
堵 H2192 railing
姦 H2194 violate
妬 H2195 jealous
娼 H2198 harlot
姪 H2201 niece
嫉 H2202 envy
姥 H2204 aged woman
姑 H2205 mother-in-law
姐 H2206 young miss
嬉 H2207 overjoyed
寓 H2211 imply
牢 H2213 jail
塞 H2214 block up
屁 H2218 fart
尻 H2220 buttocks
屍 H2222 corpse
崖 H2227 bluffs
嵌 H2229 fit into
庇 H2236 overhang
鷹 H2237 hawk
弥 H2241 more and more
粥 H2243 rice gruel
挨 H2248 shove
掴 H2249 clutch
捺 H2250 impress
捻 H2251 wrenching
掻 H2252 scratch
撰 H2253 assortment
拭 H2254 wipe
揃 H2255 muster
摺 H2258 rubbing
捉 H2260 nab
拶 H2261 imminent
撚 H2266 twirl
挺 H2267 counter for tools
撫 H2270 petting
撒 H2271 sprinkle
怯 H2275 wince
惚 H2277 infatuation
憧 H2280 yearn
恰 H2281 as if
湧 H2284 bubble up
泪 H2294 teardrops
沙 H2296 grains of sand
淫 H2298 lewd
澱 H2300 sediment
氾 H2301 widespread
汝 H2303 thou
濠 H2306 moat
溺 H2308 drowning
淋 H2310 solitude
溢 H2315 brimming
汰 H2316 cleanse
潰 H2319 defile
灘 H2321 rough seas
汲 H2322 draw water
溜 H2324 cumulation
沌 H2326 chaos
汎 H2327 pan-
濡 H2329 drench
釜 H2332 cauldron
斧 H2333 hatchet
爺 H2334 grandpa
狸 H2338 racoon dog
狼 H2339 wolf
狗 H2341 pup
狐 H2342 fox
狙 H2344 aim at
獅 H2345 lion
苺 H2350 strawberry
萩 H2351 bush clover
萎 H2355 numb
苔 H2356 moss
蘭 H2363 orchid
芯 H2368 wick
蕎 H2369 buckwheat
藍 H2371 indigo
苛 H2373 bullying
苛 H2373 bullying
蔭 H2374 behind the scenes
萌 H2377 germinate
蘇 H2380 resurrect
茅 H2385 grassy reed
苅 H2387 mow
蓋 H2388 lid
葱 H2389 onion
葵 H2391 hollyhock
茸 H2394 mushroom
蒔 H2395 sowing
葛 H2398 kudzu
蒼 H2399 pale blue
藁 H2400 straw
茜 H2407 madder red
辿 H2413 track down
這 H2414 crawl
迂 H2415 detour
逢 H2417 tryst
遥 H2418 far off
迄 H2421 until
隙 H2426 chink
隈 H2427 nook
憑 H2428 possessed
惹 H2429 attract
悉 H2430 withou exception
忽 H2431 instantaneously
惣 H2432 firstborn son
曖 H2437 equivocal
晒 H2444 bleaching
昧 H2445 obscure
曝 H2447 air out
曙 H2448 dawn
旺 H2450 effulgent
昏 H2451 dusk
腎 H2453 kidney
股 H2454 thigh
腑 H2456 viscera
臆 H2460 cowardice
膝 H2461 knee
肘 H2464 elbow
腔 H2465 body cavity
腺 H2466 gland
腫 H2467 tumor
膳 H2468 dining tray
枕 H2472 pillow
櫛 H2476 comb
槌 H2477 wooden hammer
椅 H2480 chair
柿 H2481 persimmon
桁 H2483 girder
杭 H2484 picket
榊 H2490 sacred Shinto tree
橘 H2494 mandarin orange
棲 H2496 roost
杖 H2504 cane
椎 H2505 sweet oak
樽 H2506 barrel
柵 H2507 palisade
杓 H2510 wooden ladle
楯 H2513 escutcheon
樺 H2515 birch
槍 H2516 lance
桶 H2530 bucket
楕 H2531 ellipse
毬 H2533 furball
焚 H2537 kindle
煽 H2540 fanning
煉 H2542 firing
灼 H2544 refulgent
煎 H2548 roast
斑 H2556 speckled
瑞 H2563 fortunate
玩 H2567 toy
玲 H2568 tinkling
癌 H2576 cancer
痩 H2577 lose weight
痕 H2578 scar
眩 H2581 dizzy
瞭 H2582 obvious
眉 H2583 eyebrow
碗 H2591 teacup
磯 H2594 rocky beach
祇 H2600 local god
禿 H2606 bald
稀 H2611 sparse
窺 H2613 peep
妾 H2622 concubine
裾 H2624 hem
竿 H2632 pole
篭 H2638 cage
箸 H2640 chopsticks
纂 H2641 redaction
筈 H2646 should
糞 H2653 excrement
粟 H2654 foxtail millet
繋 H2655 link up
絆 H2658 ties
緋 H2659 scarlet
綜 H2660 synthesis
紐 H2661 string
紘 H2662 chinstrap
纏 H2663 summarize
繍 H2665 embroidery
綺 H2667 ornate
綾 H2668 damask
綻 H2670 come apart at the seams
舵 H2674 rudder
蛋 H2683 protein
蝿 H2685 housefly
蜂 H2687 bee
蝋 H2688 wax
螺 H2691 screw
蛙 H2693 frog
蛾 H2694 moth
罵 H2699 insult
戴 H2702 accept humbly
讐 H2707 vendetta
謎 H2709 riddle
讃 H2711 compliment
誰 H2712 who?
訊 H2713 query
訣 H2714 split up
詣 H2715 visit a shrine
諦 H2716 give up
詮 H2717 elucidate
詫 H2721 beg pardon
諺 H2723 proverb
諜 H2726 secret agent
轟 H2729 rumble
貌 H2733 countenance
豹 H2734 panther
貼 H2736 affix
貰 H2737 get
賑 H2739 bustling
蹴 H2742 kick
跨 H2744 straddle
醤 H2746 soy sauce
酎 H2748 hooch
醒 H2750 awakening
麺 H2752 noodles
麹 H2753 malt
銚 H2755 keg
鍋 H2757 pot
鍵 H2761 key
鋲 H2763 rivet
錫 H2764 tin
釘 H2766 nail
鎚 H2769 hammer
錆 H2771 rust
鋏 H2773 scissors
閃 H2774 flash
悶 H2775 agony
闇 H2777 pitch dark
雫 H2778 trickle
霞 H2779 haze
鞍 H2782 saddle
鞭 H2783 whip
鞄 H2785 briefcase
頓 H2788 immediate
頃 H2791 about that time
頬 H2792 cheek
顎 H2795 chin
餌 H2797 feed
蝕 H2800 eclipse
餅 H2802 mochi
馳 H2805 rush
騙 H2806 cheat
馴 H2807 tame
鯛 H2812 sea bream
鰯 H2813 sardine
鱈 H2819 cod
鯖 H2820 mackerel
鮨 H2826 sushi
鵜 H2832 cormorant
鷲 H2834 eagle
鴨 H2835 wild duck
梟 H2837 owl
塵 H2838 dust
冥 H2841 Hades
坐 H2844 sitting in meditation
挫 H2845 sprain
洩 H2849 dribble out
兜 H2854 helmet
爽 H2855 bracing
欝 H2856 depressed
劫 H2857 kalpa
勃 H2858 erection
巽 H2861 southeast
歪 H2862 warped
黛 H2864 blue-black
鹸 H2867 lye
燕 H2869 swallow
嘗 H2870 lick
殆 H2871 almost
牌 H2873 mahjong tiles
覗 H2875 peep
雀 H2878 sparrow
隼 H2879 peregrine falcon
耀 H2880 shimmering
戚 H2882 relatives
丼 H2884 donburi
暢 H2885 carefree
廻 H2886 circling
畿 H2887 capital suburbs
毅 H2889 stalwart
匙 H2891 wooden spoon
匡 H2892 set straight
肴 H2896 entreat
斐 H2897 symmetrically patterned
卿 H2898 magistrate
於 H2900 within
尖 H2903 sharp point
壷 H2904 crock
甥 H2910 nephew
叉 H2914 forked
拳 H2917 fist
巫 H2930 sorceress
翔 H2933 soar
棘 H2938 thornbush
甦 H2940 resuscitate
鼾 H2944 snore
唖 H2958 babble
迦 H2959 Sanskrit ka
那 H2960 interogative
珈 H2962 jeweled hairpin
琲 H2963 beaded hairpin
轡 H2965 bridle's bit
淵 H2966 abyss [old]
裡 H2973 back [old]
龍 H2981 dragon [old]
國 H2988 country [old]
躇 H2994 dither
壽 H2995 longevity [old]
躊 H2996 hesitate
NC = Nelson Classic:
炒 NC2749 broil, parch, roast, fry
轍 NC4640 rut, wheel track
Others (not in any English language reference I know of):
其
呟
咀
捲
睨
籠
茹
虻
閏
C.J.
RTK3: easy kanji - dingomick - 2006-12-20
Wakan has a "Sort by Frequency" option that lists all the kanji by frequency from a sampling of major publications. It's a good tool to consult.
Also, in the "Other" search field type in a range of numbers and they'll all appear i.e. 1-2042 or 2043-3007 will bring up all those kanji sorted in order by frequency.
RTK3: easy kanji - lankydan - 2007-10-03
Having a look at cjon 56 list for the OTHERS (not in any English language reference I know of)
"DRAGON (OLD)" AND "BAMBOO" PRIMITIVES mean "basket" with the kun yomi "kago"
The top one is a primitive for "winnowing device" or "chess piece" if referring to heisig. I saw this one on kanjiclinic.com. The meaning is that with the kunyomi "sore"
The one with "flower" and "likeness" perhaps means "BOIL" which is saw in Colloquial Japanese, it's that or I confused it with "eggplant".
Does anyone know the character "nagasaki" means; it's a kun yomi??? The primitive elements are "Fish" and "Double Back". The whole thing on the right is used in the kanji for "RESTORE"
RTK3: easy kanji - Katsuo - 2007-10-03
lankydan Wrote:Does anyone know the character "nagasaki" means; it's a kun yomi??? The primitive elements are "Fish" and "Double Back". The whole thing on the right is used in the kanji for "RESTORE"Do you mean 鰒? It has readings フク, あわび and ふぐ. It is a rare kanji. Awabi (abalone) is more often written 鮑 and fugu (blowfish) is more often written 河豚.
I don't believe there is a single kanji with the reading "nagasaki".
RTK3: easy kanji - JimmySeal - 2007-10-03
Maybe lankydan's post has something to do with this:
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/t_ash20/20070122/p1
T-shirts that say "鰒 NAGASAKI"
Apparently, あわび and ふぐ are two of the 12 prefectural fish of Nagasaki:
http://www.zengyoren.or.jp/sea_fish/ken_fish/kennosakana.html
According to this page, 鰒 is ふぐ and 鮑 is あわび, though my IME says differently:
http://72.14.235.104/search?q=cache:fZDkFjHNykAJ:www.wdic.org/w/SCI/%E7%9C%8C%E9%AD%9A+%E9%B0%92+%E9%95%B7%E5%B4%8E&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&client=firefox-a
RTK3: easy kanji - lankydan - 2007-10-04
Yeah, that's the one. Saw it on T-shirts. That's abalone!? How useful is that? Thanks Jimmyseal and Katsuo. There's a character that I can't forget even I if tried to. NEVER NEVER...
Does anyone use the kanji for "wool rug"? It has the elements of "fur" and "inflammation". The fur is in the strong position like the one you see in "FURBALL (RTK3 KANJI) and has "inflammation" instead of "request". It has compund with "thread fiesta by ones side".
I've also encountered three other kanji which are not part of the RTK series, but I think are very useful since I've seen them in Anime Songs.
Kanji I've encountered that aren't in the RTK series in Anime songs. Also for anyone hankering for more than the 3007 from the RTK series.
- "FIRE(full form on left) and EMPEROR (lesson 12 RTK1)"
- THREAD(on left) and "TAKE ALONG"
- GOING (left side of the "GOING" kanji) and "DIRECTION"
- GOING (left side of the "GOING" kanji) and "EMPEROR"
- PERSON/Mr T (on left) and "MUNICIPALITY"
- YELLOW TAIL elements "fish (on left)" and "Expert" with the readings of SHI, HAMACHI
I'm fond of the the characters with the "old version of DRAGON" in them if you don't mind posting sites where I could find all the combinations with it until there aren't any left. Love the "Dragon (old version) character" perhaps the most unforgettable kanji there is.
RTK3: easy kanji - synewave - 2007-10-04
I think this is them all.
龍 瀧 寵 壟 蘢 朧
瓏 隴 襲 聾 籠 龕
RTK3: easy kanji - pleasebeatme1 - 2015-10-25
Just to extend a bit the original poster's list of easy ideographic kanji (though admittedly it's such a small fraction of the total that there's not much to be gained):
梟鮨噛姥泪牟
RTK3: easy kanji - tetsueda - 2015-10-26
lankydan Wrote:Kanji I've encountered that aren't in the RTK series in Anime songs. Also for anyone hankering for more than the 3007 from the RTK series.For people who don't feel like decoding the descriptions:
煌 縺 彷徨 俯 鰤
RTK3: easy kanji - kapalama - 2015-10-26
Here's the thing to keep in mind in general. We learn using the RTK method which for pedagological reasons makes us write the kanji. The fact that you will ****never, never, never*** have to write the kanji in real life should not make you ignore the writing method to remember to them.
SO people fail to learn using RTK when they do not write the kanji.
But Japanese people in general (and people in general) rarely write anything by hand. Move under thirty, and I would say that people never write anything, ever by hand.
Writing in general is hard.
Writing by hand is simply not something human being do anymore outside of to-do lists and shopping list.
Reason number 5,643 why the Japanese language teaching system is massively broken in universities. Never saw a class that did not involve non-natives scribbling Japanese characters. Never saw a class that turned out people that could actually read written Japanese functionally. We call that being illiterate if they cannot read daily written language.
Most Japanese cannot write most Kanji. But they can read anything in front of them.
Write the kanji to use the RTK method. Then read to become literate. Don't think being able to write 3000 kanji makes you literate. Japanese people certainly don't think of themselves as illiterate even those who cannot write any Kanji but their name and address.
The massively assymetrically encoding/decoding difference in character based languages especially is real. IN japanese it is unbelievable, to the point that computers doing that assymetric encoding work on behalf of people have made Japanese possible for Japanese people to use functionally.