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OnYomi index + "on groups" - julz6453 - 2009-04-18
Quick question to do with the on-yomi groups.
For those who are using Kanji Town or kanji chains or the movie method to memorise the on-yomi of kanji, do you have a seperate location/chain/movie for every single on-yomi? I ask this because in the index of RTK2, there were over 200 on-yomi.
Though feasible, it sounds like quite a daunting task.
OnYomi index + "on groups" - cb4960 - 2009-04-18
julz6453 Wrote:Quick question to do with the on-yomi groups.When I did Kanji Towns, I created a separate location for every on-yomi group except groups that contained only 1 or 2 kanji. It seems daunting but it actually didn't take me very long.
For those who are using Kanji Town or kanji chains or the movie method to memorise the on-yomi of kanji, do you have a seperate location/chain/movie for every single on-yomi? I ask this because in the index of RTK2, there were over 200 on-yomi.
Though feasible, it sounds like quite a daunting task.
OnYomi index + "on groups" - julz6453 - 2009-04-18
All right, thanks - reassuring to hear someone's done it.
OnYomi index + "on groups" - alyks - 2009-04-18
Yeah.
OnYomi index + "on groups" - kazelee - 2009-06-13
ファブリス Wrote:For those experimenting with "kanji chains", there is an index on onyomi groups that I was working on a while ago.http://kanji.koohii.com/onyomi
See the news archive On (Chinese) readings of kanji.
Dead link.
OnYomi index + "on groups" - ファブリス - 2009-06-14
Yes, it was an experiment, I don't even remember what that particular list was.
OnYomi index + "on groups" - koohiikun - 2010-05-18
I asked Fabrice about this and he very promptly replied. Since he's in India, he gave me a link and also suggested I try the forum. I couldn't find the file using the link so I thought I'd ask to see if anyone might have the file referred to in these two posts from September, 2008:
(Posted by dihutenosa 2008 September 5):
another request to put this thing back up - I'm really needing a centralized list of all of the RTK 1 + 3 kanji, sorted by 音読み!
(or if someone has something like that in some sort of normal document format, that also would be fine!)
(Posted by Fabrice 2008 September 7):
The closest to that that I have is a list compiled by John Vold.
Code:
# Index of 3007 Heisig-numbered kanji with On-yomi
ア 阿 1295 Africa
亜 1809 Asia
蛙 2693 frog
唖 2958 babble
アイ 哀 401 pathetic
愛 737 love
娃 2200 fair
挨 2248 shove
曖 2437 equivocal
アク 握 1059 grip
悪 1810 bad
渥 2320 moisten
アツ 圧 152 pressure
斡 2781 auspices
アン 安 190 relax
案 214 plan
暗 480 darkness
(etc...)
He hand edited it so only the first line of each group contains the OnYomi. So if you want to resort on the OnYomi for example, you'd have to duplicate the value in the empty cells. It's UTF8 and tab separated. I have two versions, looks like one is John Vold's selection, where he manually picked the appropriate group for kanji that has several readings; another version seems to be automated from KANJIDIC. You'll have to figure out the differences.
Email me from the forum or contact page on the main site and I'll send you a zip file with some data files I have.
OnYomi index + "on groups" - Jarvik7 - 2010-05-18
Isn't that in the back of the book?
OnYomi index + "on groups" - ファブリス - 2010-05-19
table_kanjis.utf8.zip (RevTK on Github) contains one ON reading per RTK kanji, the problem is which reading you want, as there can be multiple ON readings per character.
As I said, plenty of data lists have been posted here before, which are freely accessible on Google Docs. I'm sure there is one with RTK kanji and ON readings.
EDIT: Please look in the Kanji lists topic.
OnYomi index + "on groups" - koohiikun - 2010-05-19
Thank you to Fabrice and Jarvik7 and Katsuo. It's true there is a list of all the RTK1 & 3 kanji indexed by onyomi in the back of RTK3 called Index IV. With Katsuo's error list, it should be possible to avoid a lot of the mistakes. I have the second edition (2008) of RTK3 and I notice that some of Katsuo's suggestions have been implemented. Since I'm attacking the onyomi with the Movie Method, my deck is made up of each katakana onyomi with movie-stories containing all the kanji for each one. In my case, I guess John Vold's file wouldn't do me that much good except for having something to check against Heisig's list. I'm using Jim Breen's site for some checking but it sometimes gives me more than I expect. Thanks again for your replies!
(Posted by Jarvik7)
Isn't that in the back of the book?
(Posted by Fabrice)
table_kanjis.utf8.zip (RevTK on Github) contains one ON reading per RTK kanji, the problem is which reading you want, as there can be multiple ON readings per character.
As I said, plenty of data lists have been posted here before, which are freely accessible on Google Docs. I'm sure there is one with RTK kanji and ON readings.
EDIT: Please look in the Kanji lists topic.
OnYomi index + "on groups" - Katsuo - 2010-05-19
You could also check entries in Saiga's Kanji Dictionary. That should help to decide which ON readings are useful (if any).
The Saiga dictionary covers similar ground to RTK with a total of 3,222 kanji. Incidentally, the revised Joyo kanji list due this year has 196 new entries of which all but 23 are in RTK. If you want to add those 23 to your study list, then Saiga covers 18 of them (the five in neither source are: 恣, 摯, 緻, 諧, 錮).
OnYomi index + "on groups" - koohiikun - 2010-05-19
Thank you Katsuo! This is the first time I've ever seen Saiga's Kanji Dictionary and it looks like a great resource for checking the onyomi. Thanks also for the information on the revised Joyo Kanji List.
I was at a crossroads after finishing RTK1 and I was going to try to learn the readings for the first 2042 kanji before approaching RTK3. But after re-reading the RTK3 forwards, I've decided to continue as I have been with the writings since I have a good momentum and then return to tackle the readings, starting with the Movie Method. Although I just started the Movie Method, it's worked remarkably well. I've watched a lot of movies in my lifetime and so I don't really need to watch many new ones. I choose movies whose titles start with the onyomi I want to remember the kanji for. Then I just print out a synopsis of the movie from Wikipedia and squeeze the kanji in. I then transfer my story to an onyomi deck in Anki. Of course, when there are a lot of kanji for a single onyomi, I think it makes sense to try to find a movie series (I, II, III, etc.) and split the bulk into parts. I don't think it's reasonable to strive for perfection with the Movie Method. But being able to get a high percentage is very rewarding and has the element of fun like the stories in RTK1. Thanks again for your advice!
(Posted by Katsuo):
You could also check entries in Saiga's Kanji Dictionary. That should help to decide which ON readings are useful (if any).
The Saiga dictionary covers similar ground to RTK with a total of 3,222 kanji. Incidentally, the revised Joyo kanji list due this year has 196 new entries of which all but 23 are in RTK. If you want to add those 23 to your study list, then Saiga covers 18 of them (the five in neither source are: 恣, 摯, 緻, 諧, 錮).
OnYomi index + "on groups" - LittleFishChan - 2013-02-28
Is there a spreadsheet that has all of the RtK3 kanji with the corresponding ON yomi? I can find many RtK1 kanji with ON yomi, but not RtK3... sorry if I missed something that should be obvious...
OnYomi index + "on groups" - lauri_ranta - 2013-03-06
LittleFishChan Wrote:Is there a spreadsheet that has all of the RtK3 kanji with the corresponding ON yomi?I missed your post earlier, but KANJIDIC. It still uses the second and fifth edition frame numbers though. Katsuo has made a spreadsheet version of KANJIDIC that is linked in the kanji lists sticky. http://lri.me/japanese/kanji.txt also includes KANJIDIC readings.
I uploaded a list of on-yomi for RTK kanji to http://lri.me/upload/kanjidic-rtk-on-yomi.txt. OS X users can recreate it by pasting this in Terminal:
curl http://ftp.ftp.monash.edu.au/pub/nihongo/kanjidic | iconv -f euc-jp -t utf-8 > kanjidic.txt
ruby -KUe 'puts IO.read("kanjidic.txt").scan(/^(.) .* L(\d+) [ -~]* ([ァ-ヿ ]*)/).sort_by{|l|l[1].to_i}.map{|l|l[1]+"\t"+l[0]+"\t"+l[2].sub(/ $/,"")}'