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Heisig's Claims in the Foreword May Not Be Correct - AmberUK - 2009-01-19
or using any verbs,adjective or adverbs? aren't they single readings?
Heisig's Claims in the Foreword May Not Be Correct - woodwojr - 2009-01-19
Eh, I don't think readings that are words by themselves were intended to be excluded.
~J
Heisig's Claims in the Foreword May Not Be Correct - bodhisamaya - 2009-01-19
alyks Wrote:I downloaded the pangolin font, removed everything that could be made up of smaller components then memorized it over the weekend. Very simple and easy. While I still don't think order is necessary, it would be hard to make stories for all the broken down components. I consider visual imagery a superior mnemonic to stories partially because of this.This would be good advise for anyone starting RTK I think. Then take the time to give each of these components strong personalities. I would then order the kanji into groups in the best way to create a theme around these components. Learn all of the 糸"Spiderman" kanji at the same time. The German version of RTK seems to have used keywords most common in compounds and so if there was a list of English keywords listed this way, I would go with those as well.
Heisig was a pioneer. He seems to have been inspired by his interest in religion and published a common sense way of learning kanji using imaginative memory. He can be improved on though. His system could be made mainstream and end needless suffering for numerous future students of Japanese study if it was tweaked a little.
Heisig's Claims in the Foreword May Not Be Correct - Machine_Gun_Cat - 2009-01-23
"The most critical factor is the order of learning the kanji.
I can imagine learning the kanji in a different order than the Heisig order would be less efficient. However, I don't think it would be an order of magnitude less efficient. Would there be anything wrong with completing lessons 1 and 2 (to get a feel for the method), then learning 300 primitive elements, and then learning Kanji as they are encountered in reading material or a Japanese textbook? I have not personally tried this method, but it seems plausible. To do it this way I think it would only be a little less efficient, and would be more interesting for the student."
I tried learning the radicals when I started Japanese thinking that I had stumbled on an amazing way of simplifying the Kanji and It didn't turn out to be the miracle cure to Kanji retention problems that I thought it would be
Heisig's Claims in the Foreword May Not Be Correct - Tobberoth - 2009-01-23
The main reason why learning kanji radicals first is a pretty bad idea is that you more or less have to rely on rote memorization... and rote memorizing 200-300 radicals in a row just isn't very effective, it takes a long time and your retention won't be very good. By learning some radicals, then kanji using them, then some new radicals etc, you focus. You do some rote memorization, then use it in kanji to up your retention (learning kanji is easier than learning radicals because of the stories etc), then you do some more radicals. Your basically being more effective, which is the point.
That of course doesn't mean some people may not prefer learning the radicals first anyway, they may have a reason to accept some ineffectiveness in the start to be able to learn it in their own order, but for the average user, I wouldn't recommend it.
Heisig's Claims in the Foreword May Not Be Correct - mentat_kgs - 2009-01-23
I'm not so sure about that. I can see your point, but radicals are smaller and more "pictographic", besides they are few.
Heisig's Claims in the Foreword May Not Be Correct - frlmarty - 2009-03-25
jcdietz03 Wrote:Someone please tell me...WHY does using the Heisig course in conjunction with a typical one have an adverse effect on the learning process as Heisig claims? He doesn't explain it in the foreword, he just states it.simple answer: you don't have the nerve to learn grammar while studying and reviewing the kanjis.
it is very difficult to focus on 2 things one time. you always have to put one first - since you pay more for the class than for the book, you get remorses when you don't spend a decent time on homework and learning what is in the textbooks but rather review.
when doing your homework you rather add a few new kanjis to make a quicker progress ...
simple answer: because it is a dilemma doing both the same time.
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Heisig's Claims in the Foreword May Not Be Correct - Rina - 2009-03-26
After reading several comments on this book (amazon.com) I got really amazed and even downloaded the sample PDF version of the website. I must say, I really got surprised, it seems so easy ti learn the kanji and to remember of it. I only tried like 5 or so, but got sumbled by the method.
I just wanted to ask, is it possible to study this one alongside with genki? And afterwards with an Intregrated aproch wich I plan on buying? (I'll have kadanshas essencial kanji dictionary too by that time)
I must say, I was really surprised and really liked it. (i tried the spanish version though)
DAMN! I was reading this thread and completely forgot that this is not the ideal place to ask the question. I'm sorry, please, if necesary move this reply to the place where it should be.
Heisig's Claims in the Foreword May Not Be Correct - bodhisamaya - 2009-03-26
CarolinaCG Wrote:I just wanted to ask, is it possible to study this one alongside with genki? And afterwards with an Intregrated aproch wich I plan on buying? (I'll have kadanshas essencial kanji dictionary too by that time)Nothing is possible. I have been doing nothing for years.
Lots of people are doing RTK along with other study materials. I think it works best though if you put everything else aside for a few months and concentrate on RTK. Then go back to your Japanese studies after that short break.
Heisig's Claims in the Foreword May Not Be Correct - AmberUK - 2009-03-26
I have been doing both, but I have been at it for years now. The problem, like people say, is other things come up. I have just quit a Japanese course, as I didn't like it. But during that course I kept up with it and the homework. It meant I didn't have time for Heisig and it slipped. I just find sometimes you end up starting 3 ways of input and you just end up switching thought patterns each time your going to each input. I think that wastes time and energy. I also think the kanji I have know from Heisig and previous efforts at learning I know really well. Because I use them all the time. If I had stuck to Heisig all the vocab I have done in books I would have been using the kana and kanji versions together, so would have been using them for longer and I think they would be in my brain better.
Heisig's Claims in the Foreword May Not Be Correct - cloudstrife543 - 2009-03-26
Heiseg order is important because the repitition in which the elements are used, I think, actually helps you remember the kanji better, than say just trying to memorize 300 different elements and just utilize them when you come across a new kanji like you have suggested.