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Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - KanjiHanzi - 2009-01-02
alyks Wrote:So, you're saying that people should learn at least one reading to the kanji? How is this different from my Movie Method?Since you guys FINALLY came to the conclusion that it was not such a good idea to jump all over me, I've had some time to look around here and update myself, so to say.
Just now I found this new thread
Movie method + linkwording vocab update thread.
http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=2356
Quote:It's basically just an offshoot of the Roman Room or Journey method used by all of the world memory champions. The idea is that at you take something you already know very well (such as the rooms in your house, scenes in a favorite movie, etc) and place the items you want to remember in those rooms. By associating the items with something you already know it basically gives your brain an additional link to recalling it. I know it sounds odd but it works.So where is the "my" in "my movie method" coming from??? Is it YOUR movie method?? It seems like you merely try to grab an idea and turn it into your own. Credits where credits are due has been another of my beloved dogmas. What about you?
Personally I don't claim to have invented anything at all. I use the Heisig method. Period. The only real difference is that I put much more emphasis on alterntive ways to use it. I do NOT think it's an ABSOLUTE requirement to go from 1 to 2042, and I most certainly think it is really useless to go from 1 to 1500 in "Remembering the Hanzi" if you already know RtK 1.
If my suggestion that this is also not something required for NEW students of Heisig/Chinese, THAT is something where the jury is still deliberating. Personally I am ABSOLUTELY convinced that it's not only possible, but also a more productive use of The Heisig Method, but since I haven't yet had the time - thanks to the previous mob atmosphere here :-) - to test in a live situation. The first couple of Hanzi lessons will give an indication about what the newbie might think. I hope to post the first one today.
Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - tibul - 2009-01-02
KanjiHanzi Wrote:So where is the "my" in "my movie method" coming from??? Is it YOUR movie method?? It seems like you merely try to grab an idea and turn it into your own. Credits where credits are due has been another of my beloved dogmas. What about you?Hi KanjiHanji i think alyks referred to it as "my movie method" because he adapted it for use with Kanji readings (correct me if I'm wrong alyks) so I don't see why its a problem he says that its his movie method, If he made up the movie method for kanji readings then its essentially his movie method.
Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - KanjiHanzi - 2009-01-02
tibul Wrote:Hi KanjiHanji i think alyks referred to it as "my movie method" because he adapted it for use with Kanji readings (correct me if I'm wrong alyks) so I don't see why its a problem he says that its his movie method, If he made up the movie method for kanji readings then its essentially his movie method.Nah, I really don't have much of a problem. It seems like alyks and a bunch of other members here had a HUGE problem with the fact that I used HEISIG'S METHOD in a modified way, a sad fact that resulted in a flame war directed at me, including from alyks, accusing me of Not Posting Something Revolutionary and New. I never made such a claim. I never said it was *MY* method. I said it was all based on Heisig's method.
Fair and balanced is the keyword of today. It's not "alyks movie method". Period. It's possibly "alyks' use of the already invented movie method as applied to learning kanji" which is a slightly different and more correct way of expressing it. IMHO.
Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - Tobberoth - 2009-01-02
Alyks changed the method WAY more than you did, how can you even compare it??
The journey method talks about putting items in your room in your house and walk though your house, remembering it as you go. Alyks method is to place a kanji in a scene in a movie where the movie name is DIRECTLY connected to the reading of the kanji. That's pretty much the most fundamental part of the movie method and it's not part of the journey method. The journey method is a simple mnemonic device, the movie method is a whole method built around the idea that you need to remember both a shape and a reading.
The thing is, you didn't modify Heisigs method. You just said one shouldn't use the book, the actual method of memorizing is identical. Alyks changed fundamental parts of the method his technique is based on.
Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - KanjiHanzi - 2009-01-02
Tobberoth Wrote:Alyks changed the method WAY more than you did, how can you even compare it??Sigh. I don't think I should bother with this thread anymore. I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT I CHANGED ANY BLOODY METHOD!!!!! What I have repeatedly said is the I HAVEN'T CHANGED ANY METHOD AT ALL!!!!!!!!! I have been accused of almost everything in this utterly crazy thread, but nothing has to do with what I ORIGINALLY POSTED HERE. ANd you guys react what I question the ability to read and understand written English?!?!?
Tobberoth Wrote:The journey method is a simple mnemonic device, the movie method is a whole method built around the idea that you need to remember both a shape and a reading.It's still a modification of an existing method.
Tobberoth Wrote:The thing is, you didn't modify Heisigs method. You just said one shouldn't use the book, the actual method of memorizing is identical. Alyks changed fundamental parts of the method his technique is based on.EXACTLY. You did get the basic facts straight then! Personally I haven't brought up "alyks movie method". alyks brought it up himself by asking me in what way "my" method differed from "his" method. A question I could not reply to since 1) I was not familiar with the movie method enough and 2) I DO NOT HAVE A METHOD I CALL "MY OWN METHOD. I call the method I use HEISIG'S METHOD. PERIOD.
Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - Tobberoth - 2009-01-02
KanjiHanzi Wrote:2) I DO NOT HAVE A METHOD I CALL "MY OWN METHOD. I call the method I use HEISIG'S METHOD. PERIOD.Then I have misunderstood your intention and I'm sorry. It's just that the first post and the blog seemed to be introducing something new which we should look at and when I did I didn't see anything new so I was confused and when I asked you about it later in the topic it became this whole heated discussion so I always assumed you did consider it your technique and you considered my posts a strong critique against it (which they weren't, I was more or less saying I'm doing the same thing).
Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - bandwidthjunkie - 2009-01-02
This is the best thread I have ever read; KanjiHanzi, please could you direct me to some of your other threads on the internet?
Many thanks.
Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - KanjiHanzi - 2009-01-03
Tobberoth Wrote:It's just that the first post and the blog seemed to be introducing something new which we should look atYes, it was "NEW" in the sense Recently Written and Recently Published. Any more novelty was not intended really.
Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - KanjiHanzi - 2009-01-03
bandwidthjunkie Wrote:This is the best thread I have ever read; KanjiHanzi, please could you direct me to some of your other threads on the internet?Hehehe, the suspicious mentality is like a virus infecting even me. I can almost not tell if someone showing what appears to be serious interest here IS SERIOUS.
Many thanks.
I can't really tell what other stuff I've written online since it's a long time that happened, perhaps a couple of years. I guess I could easily find my stuff on That Page, but that would require posting a link Mr Fab won't like here :-) Perhaps I can send you links via email later, if you still are interested. It's not particularly interesting since it's mostly a bunch of anti-Heisig guys jumping all over me, just like the pro-Heisig crowd did here!
On the other hand THIS is rather interesting. I posted a question to the Anki group asking if there is no way to FREEZE PROGRESS in Anki if you don't have time to review. This is the reply I got from Mr Anki himself:
Damien Elmes Wrote:A silly idea remains a silly idea no matter how many people ask forAnother perfect example of what I have called DOGMATISM here!!! Don't ever, never try to think outside the box, but stick to the rules and do what other people consider as best for you. I am not particularly successful in getting nice responses, am I ;-)
it. There is a difference between listening and acting. You've openly
stated that you do not have the knowledge to write it yourself, nor
the money to pay someone to do it. I've openly stated that I think
it's a silly idea, and I've provided ample justification in the past.
To say I'm "not listening" because I don't want to add a feature I
think is stupid is a bit rude, to be honest. Saying "I love Anki, but
you're not listening" doesn't really soften the blow either. And when
you write off the advice that other people on the forum have given
you, I'm inclined to think the person who's not listening is not me
;-)
Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - phauna - 2009-01-03
Oh, hai guyz, what's going on in this thread?
Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - KanjiHanzi - 2009-01-03
phauna Wrote:Oh, hai guyz, what's going on in this thread?There is absolutely nothing to see here. Move on. The show is over, unless you start to read from the first post and find out for yourself :-)
Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - Tobberoth - 2009-01-03
KanjiHanzi Wrote:On the other hand THIS is rather interesting. I posted a question to the Anki group asking if there is no way to FREEZE PROGRESS in Anki if you don't have time to review. This is the reply I got from Mr Anki himself:Thinking outside the box is good and all.. but the whole point of SRSing is destroyed if you freeze it. If you could just freeze it, why should cards expire at all just do them when you feel like it? I mean, you don't have to review if you don't have the time, you can ignore anki for a few days.. but the cards will of course expire, that's the whole point.
Another perfect example of what I have called DOGMATISM here!!! Don't ever, never try to think outside the box, but stick to the rules and do what other people consider as best for you. I am not particularly successful in getting nice responses, am I ;-)
I mean, lets say you freeze it for a month. The cards you were supposed to see in a month you will have to wait two months until you see... which means you will have forgotten them (at least if the SRS is optimally configured).
Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - ファブリス - 2009-01-03
KanjiHanzi Wrote:but that would require posting a link Mr Fab won't like here :-)I have no idea what you are talking about and I am getting seriously tired of this.
KanjiHanzi you are being the most belligerent here, and this quoting of Damien is the icing on the cake. I'm not saying you started this purposefully, but you can't handle criticism without resorting to confrontation. Now I hate to be patronizing, but you seem to have a big ego problem because you don't really listen to anybody else's point of views. I've been there at some point in the past, and while I understand your perspective nevertheless I will probably have to close your forum account soon for the sake of the community (see forum rules, animosity is not tolerated).
In case you really want to participate in this community then I suggest to drop the KanjiHanzi Hub topic altogether in this thread or others, as well as avoid argumenting with people, understand that everybody has their background and there are "many ways to Rome"...
I'd like also to remind everyone that this community is the sum of all participating and you are all responsible for making it a better place. This means being courteous to each other and not feeding the flames unnecessarily ;-)
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