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Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - KanjiHanzi - 2009-01-01

kazelee Wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy#Race

So the silly boy kazalee tries to be a Clever Boy and looks at WikiPedia. But you seem to have missed the most common usage of the very common word boy

WikiPedia: Boy Wrote:An adult male human is a man, but when age is not a crucial factor, both terms can be interchangeable, e.g., 'boys and their toys' applies equally to adults and young boys, just as 'Are you mice or men?' can also apply to young boys.

That's the way I - as in "me" - use the word BOY here and elsewhere: a not yet grown up male member of the homo sapiens animal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens

Once upon a time there was a very Famous Homo Sapien man, some say he was even more than a Man, and he said something like: "Father, forgive them 'cause they are really to bloody dumb to know what they are doing". And, boy, do you exemplify this extremely well? Yes, indeed.

First you post this link to the racist/fascist use of the word BOY and then you make yourself guilty of the most common MENTALITY and STRATEGY among racists and fascists: dehumanization!!! (*this individual* is a minor sin as in "removing the identity of a particularly disgusting enemy", very common by those fond of torture etc.: YOU DO NOT HAVE A NAME. NEITHER DO YOU HAVE AN IDENTITY. Mnemonics for Americans could be "Abu Ghraib" and "Guantanamo" and "History of Today".)

kazelee Wrote:Mr. Tobberoth, you are just going to get frustrated conversing with *this individual*. You cannot have a logical discussion with ***it***. *This individual* has already said ***it*** has received negative attention before, and the reason is more than clear, now. Rather than admit some sort of fault, ***it*** will continue down this path, and say whatever necessary to get a rise out of you. My sister behaves in much the same way. Attention, whether positive or negative, is attention. This is what ***it*** seeks.

I doubt that you will follow any link I post here so I will quote a chunk - a very brief snippet - for you education from humiliationstudies.org (this particular text at http://tinyurl.com/a8jquj)

humiliationstudies.org Wrote:The term Dehumanization is exactly descriptive of that mental condition characterized as prejudice and usually referred to as fanaticism. And, in contrast to the common understanding of "dehumanization", it necessarily works both
ways: all that could possibly happen to our side because we are human, and that means vulnerable to mistake and sin and becoming evil in our war against them, is
swept forever under a Blind Area.
You can readily test my discovery against any conflict-oriented or prejudiced text anywhere. Allport provides a sample of demagogy on page 385 of The Nature of
Prejudice, that contains sentences like, "We have assembled under the banner of
Jesus Christ and the banner of our American Republic, the cross and the Flag, to
demonstrate to the international financiers of Wall Street, the international
Communists of Moscow and the international Jewish terrorists throughout the
world, that they have failed." - You will not find any evidence that the person is
aware that he and his followers might be wrong, might hate too much, or might
commit sins against their fellow Americans by being too extreme; or that their
enemies are individuals, each different and human, and many possessing good
qualities like themselves – basic self-evident facts of human reality.

Etc. etc.

Since everybody else are happy doing totally unfounded assumptions here, my guess is that you, kazalee, are around 14-15 years old and that your poor sister might be a couple of years older. I surely doesn't envy her having you as a little brother, a person so totally lacking any kind of self-reflective abilities. Send my best regards to her!

Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - KanjiHanzi - 2009-01-01

Wisher Wrote:It is up to the site owner. But we can make suggestions. Usually when threads are heated and go nowhere, they are closed off. This whole thread is redundant.

The verdict of the supreme judge is posted here:

http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?pid=37359#pid37359

We most certainly would have seen some sort of action if ファブリス(Administrator) would have wanted to shut this thread down. Wouldn't be surprised, though, if some of the worst offenders here have received an offline warning. Since there hasn't been any more "d*cks" and so on, I would actually assume that this has happened.

Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - nest0r - 2009-01-01

Thora Wrote:Where but this community would Beckett's Molloy and the Movie Method et al converge? sucking stones

patience Nestor...

Ha. This was my favourite scene:
http://books.google.com/books?id=sglVtT7_nH4C&pg=PA114&lpg=PA114&dq&source=bl&ots=plLcuvOXp7&sig=NE_EOuPzaxis070L4rrgMaUYqCk&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA113,M1

Beginning with "... begging me to share his hut," and ending with "... like all that has a moral."

Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - KanjiHanzi - 2009-01-01

alyks Wrote:To be perfectly honest, KanjiHanzi, the amount of books on a subject is not indicative of the difficulty, but rather interest. I myself have never used a particle workbook or textbook past the absolute beginning stage and am reading fine.

The amount of books PUBLISHED and SOLD must be some sort of indication that there is HUGE DEMAND for books on all and every aspect of the Japanese language. I admit that I assume that the number of westerners studying Japanese still outnumber those studying Mandarin, but this is changing rapidly in favor of Chinese.

Anyhow, I don't think that students of Japanese have so much more INTEREST than students of Mandarin that this will explain the overwhelming number of SPECIALIZED titles on Japanese, and in particular from Kodansha.

alyks Wrote:... am reading fine.

So do I. But it's two entirely different worlds to be able to read Japanese and to be able to express yourself in written and spoken Japanese. Basically I used the bi-lingual books in what used to be called the Power Japanese series (Kodansha) to learn reading some Japanese. I merely covered the romaji/English lines and tried to understand the kanji/kana version before looking at the translation. Eventually it worked quite well, but the other way around - having only the English translation visible - and reproduce the Japanese original is so much more difficult that I would call it an entirely different task.

alyks Wrote:Chinese grammar is much simpler than Japanese grammar, I've heard, but that doesn't mean Japanese isn't easy.

Chinese grammar and Japanese grammar are not even two parallel worlds: they are two different galaxies! But it's always a pleasure to hear that people find Japanese Very Easy, but I can't escape the suspicion that this comes from not really having digged deep enough into speaking and writing Japanese On Their Own without any crutches.

I can manage to write acceptable and reasonably correct Japanese when I have access to dictionaries and reference books, but I would NEVER be able to produce the same kind of language from scratch, 100% on my own, not to mention being able to SPEAK it!

This makes me totally in awe when I try to merely READ an author like Hideo Levy, previously professor of Japanese literature at Stanford University. This USA-born person moved to Tokyo at the age of 40 and become a celebrated Japanese Author receiving Japanese Awards for his books. (See: "Read Real Japanese Essays", most recent edition with CD.)

OK, he had the advantage to be living in Japan (and Hongkong/Taiwan) as a kid, but nevertheless totally awesome from my point of view! NO matter how hard I tried I will never, ever be able to produce texts that would pass a litmus test in Japan as Good Japanese Writing ("Hmmmm.. Could really have been written by a native Japanese".) Never.

Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - shakkun - 2009-01-01

I apologized to you for that badly judged comment already. If you can't accept an apology gracefully then you are far less mature than I ever was.

I can't imagine there's ever been an offline reprimand on this forum.

Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - cracky - 2009-01-01

KanjiHanzi Wrote:"d*cks"

ducks?
docks?
decks?

Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - KanjiHanzi - 2009-01-01

shakkun Wrote:I apologized to you for that badly judged comment already. If you can't accept an apology gracefully then you are far less mature than I ever was.

Sorry. Missed. It's pretty hard to keep up with each and every comment/commentator here. You are a few and I'm one and on top of it all holidays requiring off-line duties :-) Apology not needed, but gracefully accepted nevertheless. Thanks.

shakkun Wrote:I can't imagine there's ever been an offline reprimand on this forum.

I would most surely assume there has been on EVERY forum with this kind of history and membership. It would be utterly amazing if it never happened here. It most certainly should have happened if yours truly was the site owner, but I am not as mild as this one here :-) I would have kicked out a few of the worst offenders here. "D*cks", "on meth" and whatever is just for the teenage room, not a public forum like this.

Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - zodiac - 2009-01-01

KanjiHanzi, you said your Anki deck contains a "meaning" field. Is that the same as a keyword?

Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - zazen666 - 2009-01-01

I wonder if, regarding the amount of books about the Japanese language being larger than the amount of books on Chinese, has something to do with the fact that until about 10 years ago, everyone in the west that was interested in doing biz in Asia were focusing on Japan. That would certainly lead to more popularity.......

Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - KanjiHanzi - 2009-01-01

zodiac Wrote:KanjiHanzi, you said your Anki deck contains a "meaning" field. Is that the same as a keyword?

Yes. I use cards with three fields: Expression, Meaning and Reading. You get these automatically when you start a new deck, I think. At least it is a choice.

Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - KanjiHanzi - 2009-01-01

zazen666 Wrote:I wonder if, regarding the amount of books about the Japanese language being larger than the amount of books on Chinese, has something to do with the fact that until about 10 years ago, everyone in the west that was interested in doing biz in Asia were focusing on Japan. That would certainly lead to more popularity.......

Yes, I think that's the reason. Now I am not sure there are *more* books for Japanese today, but they are indeed rather different than those for Mandarin. I still consider the Japanese really lacking any where good text book series going from scratch up to the highest university levels. I mean: Genki and the likes are not really *that* advanced, are they? One year of university studies, perhaps. I am NOT familiar with Japanes for Busy People though, so there I might have missed something.

New serious like A New Practical Reader is enough advance to take you through THREE years of university studies in Mandarin. There are more really good dictionaries for Mandarin than there are for Japanese. I am still searching for an advanced English to Japanese and Japanese to English dictionary, but can't find any. There is a total absence of the kind of specialized book for Mandarin, like those verbs/particles/adjectives books I mention since Mandarin doesn't inflict words AT ALL.

The Japanese books are still of a much superior quality. Those Kodansha publish are really way ahead of all other publishers of both Chinese and other Japanese books. It's true pleasure to get a new book from Kodansha, just because it's such well crafted product. Have almost every title they have published. And they only get better and better. "Exploring Japanese Literature" is too good to be true. really :-)

Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - Tobberoth - 2009-01-01

There isn't any one book series which takes you to university levels in Japanese, but I seriously doubt there is such a serie in any other language. I mean, to get to university level of a language (which I assume you mean is when you could actually study at a University in that language) you need to know insane amounts of stuff. More or less all grammar, an extremely big vocabulary etc. I think the series would have to be like... 10 books long or something.

From what I've noticed, Japanese textbook series are usually one of the three following levels: Basic, Intermediate, Advanced. Genki and Minna no Nihongo would be called basic, they teach you enough to pass JLPT3. For Intermediate, we have stuff like Chuukyuu kara manabu. For advanced, we have kanzen masters 1kyuu books etc.

I see your point about there being a lot of indepth books on the subject KanjiHanzi, but trust me when I say you don't need specific grammar books etc to become good at expressing yourself in Japanese. It's good to have them, but they aren't vital. I never read a single book on particles, I still find them easy to use because I've seen and used them so much, especially when I lived in Japan. They simply become second nature eventually even if they can be hard to grasp in the start. Same with a bit more advanced grammar patterns like the ones covered in the Kanzen master series. Great books to have, a good asset. But not any more vital than in Mandarin.

Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - kfmfe04 - 2009-01-01

KanjiHanzi Wrote:There are more really good dictionaries for Mandarin than there are for Japanese. I am still searching for an advanced English to Japanese and Japanese to English dictionary, but can't find any. There is a total absence of the kind of specialized book for Mandarin, like those verbs/particles/adjectives books I mention since Mandarin doesn't inflict words AT ALL.

?!?!

Can you tell me which dictionaries for Mandarin are good?

I've been looking for one but can't find any. I want a dictionary with:
1. Pinyin lookup but shows simplified and traditional characters.
2. Sample sentences in Mandarin, with translations in English.

My experience has been the exact opposite of yours.

In the biggest bookstores in Taipei, I haven't been able to find good C-E/E-C dictionaries, but in Tokyo, there are so many good J-E/E-J dictionaries in a typical mom-and-pop store that I have a hard time choosing...

Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - kazelee - 2009-01-01

KanjiHanzi Wrote:
kazelee Wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy#Race
So the silly boy kazalee tries to be a Clever Boy and looks at WikiPedia. But you seem to have missed the most common usage of the very common word boy

The common use where I'm from is an extremely racist and derogatory one. Either stop calling me this or simply do not reply.

Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - KanjiHanzi - 2009-01-01

kfmfe04 Wrote:Can you tell me which dictionaries for Mandarin are good?

If you care for an electronic dictionary (running on PC and/or Mac) Wenlin (Wenlin.com) is excellent, despite some usability issues. It has a very outdated interface, but it really works well withing these limitations. A requirement if you want quick access to character etymology and stuff like that.

Apart from that one I have not yet BOUGHT any dictionary. OK, I have but they are stilling being transported from Amazon.com and my local internet bookstore.

kfmfe04 Wrote:I've been looking for one but can't find any. I want a dictionary with:
1. Pinyin lookup but shows simplified and traditional characters.
2. Sample sentences in Mandarin, with translations in English.

What level? There are some really good dictionaries for the starter and the intermediate student. I use the Amazon feature to look inside the book before ordering. This hasn't worked for any of the more advanced dictionaries but I am pretty sure there is one advanced one-way dictionary that I will buy, but it was too expensive now. I can find the title/ISBN later if you are interested.

kfmfe04 Wrote:My experience has been the exact opposite of yours.

In the biggest bookstores in Taipei, I haven't been able to find good C-E/E-C dictionaries, but in Tokyo, there are so many good J-E/E-J dictionaries in a typical mom-and-pop store that I have a hard time choosing...

But are they for westerners?

I have a copy of The Green Goddess installed on my computer, but it's a Japanese version and only Japanese-English. It requires you to set the system language to Japanese so I've turned off since many dialogues got Japanese instead of English :-)

I have four Japanese/English dictionaries, but none really above intermediate requirements. I would like to have a really advanced one in print. Any tip?

Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - kfmfe04 - 2009-01-01

KanjiHanzi Wrote:
kfmfe04 Wrote:My experience has been the exact opposite of yours.

In the biggest bookstores in Taipei, I haven't been able to find good C-E/E-C dictionaries, but in Tokyo, there are so many good J-E/E-J dictionaries in a typical mom-and-pop store that I have a hard time choosing...
But are they for westerners?

What is a Westerner dictionary?

As a learner of Japanese, a useful J-E dictionary is one with native Japanese sentences translated into English. When the dictionary is published by a Japanese company, I can be more certain that the Japanese sentences are not using "strange/wrong Japanese". I take the same approach towards Chinese.

I don't know what you mean by advanced Japanese dictionary. Beyond JLPT1?
If I were advanced, I would probably go Japanese to Japanese...

I don't care about electronic dictionaries - I can find plenty of those.
I am talking about a quality paper dictionary.

Never mind - I don't think we are talking about the same things.

Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - kazelee - 2009-01-01

KanjiHanzi Wrote:
kazelee Wrote:Mr. Tobberoth, you are just going to get frustrated conversing with *this individual*. You cannot have a logical discussion with ***it***. *This individual* has already said ***it*** has received negative attention before, and the reason is more than clear, now. Rather than admit some sort of fault, ***it*** will continue down this path, and say whatever necessary to get a rise out of you. My sister behaves in much the same way. Attention, whether positive or negative, is attention. This is what ***it*** seeks.
I doubt that you will follow any link I post here so I will quote a chunk - a very brief snippet - for you education from humiliationstudies.org

My post was not to call you a racist. I was hoping you'd be able to see the fact that word doesn't mean the same everywhere.

I use "this individual" because you seem to operating from pure ego, not because I am a facist or racist. You behave as if you are separate from other humans; like normal rules of social conduct do not apply. I do not know your name. You haven't declared your sex. I made no assumptions and thus constructed sentences using the neutral. I apologize if you felt dehumanized by these words. Please state your gender so that I may use he or she more approprietly when pretending to ignore you.

There are people who carry racist and derogatory terms wherever they go. Their frequent usage of these words do not make them acceptable. Please stop refering to me as "boy." Please do not try to sugar coat it with adjectives.

Quote:I surely doesn't envy her having you as a little brother, a person so totally lacking any kind of self-reflective abilities. Send my best regards to her!

I'm sure you can see the irony in these words.

Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - KanjiHanzi - 2009-01-01

kfmfe04 Wrote:What is a Westerner dictionary?

A dictionary aimed at readers not native in the country where the language is spoken. This is a vital distinction if you are to find a good Chinese dictionary. There are plenty of excellent Chinese/English dictionaries aimed at the Chinese audience. They alread know Mandarin etc. and don't need any pinyin, but you'll instead find English pronunciation and English words carefully explained. That is NOT not a dictionay for us learning the language,, "westerners" or otherwise.

kfmfe04 Wrote:As a learner of Japanese, a useful J-E dictionary is one with native Japanese sentences translated into English. When the dictionary is published by a Japanese company, I can be more certain that the Japanese sentences are not using "strange/wrong Japanese". I take the same approach towards Chinese.

As a learner of Japanese I don't want dictionaries aimed at the native audience, just like thos Chinese I mentioned above. I don't need English stuff explained, but I **DO** need at least Furigana.

kfmfe04 Wrote:I don't know what you mean by advanced Japanese dictionary. Beyond JLPT1? If I were advanced, I would probably go Japanese to Japanese...

I am not fully fluent in the different JLPT levels. What I want is an advanced dictionary in the sense that it is COMPREHENSIVE and contains a more or complete Japanese vocabulary. My Japanese is far from advanced, but I am nevertheless interested in using words not found in the more common dictionaries, like the otherwise brilliant Kodansha's "Comprehensive English-Japanese Dicitonary" with 22000 entries, not enough by any means as a REALLY comprehensive dictionary.

kfmfe04 Wrote:Never mind - I don't think we are talking about the same things.

Well, I tried to answer your question to my best ability. Obviously not enough if you can't explain yourself.

Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - mentat_kgs - 2009-01-01

Meh, the green goddess is so awesome.

Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - kazelee - 2009-01-01

KanjiHanzi Wrote:I doubt that you will follow any link I post here so I will quote a chunk - a very brief snippet - for you education from humiliationstudies.org (this particular text at http://tinyurl.com/a8jquj)

humiliationstudies.org Wrote:The term Dehumanization is exactly descriptive of that mental condition characterized as prejudice and usually referred to as fanaticism. And, in contrast to the common understanding of "dehumanization", it necessarily works both
ways: all that could possibly happen to our side because we are human, and that means vulnerable to mistake and sin and becoming evil in our war against them, is
swept forever under a Blind Area.
You can readily test my discovery against any conflict-oriented or prejudiced text anywhere. Allport provides a sample of demagogy on page 385 of The Nature of
Prejudice, that contains sentences like, "We have assembled under the banner of
Jesus Christ and the banner of our American Republic, the cross and the Flag, to
demonstrate to the international financiers of Wall Street, the international
Communists of Moscow and the international Jewish terrorists throughout the
world, that they have failed." - You will not find any evidence that the person is
aware that he and his followers might be wrong, might hate too much, or might
commit sins against their fellow Americans by being too extreme; or that their
enemies are individuals, each different and human, and many possessing good
qualities like themselves – basic self-evident facts of human reality.
Etc. etc.

I have actually taken a look at the link you provided. I must say it has given me a better view of your conduct. It was quite enlightening.

I was tempted to go on some rant about your being delusional, but, I guess, on some level, that can be said about all of us. I was going to follow it by saying you are wrong in assuming that a shared opinion is evidence enough to accuse those sharing the opinion of group think, but maybe the individuals are guilty of group think and just don't know it; a possible side-effect of group think. I was even going to mention the absurdity in trying to associate human behavioral syntax with human age, but their are patterns that do show correlations.

I've taken a step back. I can see, now, that I was wrong. I let my territorial circuit take control and focused on defending the group rather than focusing on the individual. Your calling individuals "boy," was merely a response to the stress you interpreted as bullying. I didn't see it this way, and thus labeled you as a "victim." I failed to take into account that I had no knowledge of you or your experiences. I went by impression and impression alone. For this I am sorry.

You seem to be a very enlightened and intelligent person. Your desire to further refine language acquisition techniques and your insight into human social behavior make this more than evident. With a little more tolerance (for lack of better term) for established social groups/hierarchies/domains, I believe, not only will you be successful in your goal, but you will reach it that much quicker.

Ringing a doorbell will yield far better results than kicking down the door.

Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - KanjiHanzi - 2009-01-01

kazelee Wrote:My post was not to call you a racist. I was hoping you'd be able to see the fact that word doesn't mean the same everywhere.

Why did you then add this totally stupid link if you were not insinuation YET ANOTHER preposterous thing about me?!?! You ARE silly, aren't you?

kazelee Wrote:I use "this individual" because you seem to operating from pure ego, not because I am a facist or racist. You behave as if you are separate from other humans; like normal rules of social conduct do not apply.

kazelee Wrote:I do not know your name.

Neither do I know yor name and I couldn't care less. You call yourself "kazalee". Either that is your real name or an alias. I don't mind. I'll call you kazelee - when I don't call you SIlly Boy - because that's what you call your self here. There is no Real Name in your profile, but again: I'm not interested.

kazelee Wrote:You haven't declared your sex.

Why should I? Most of those posting here have gender-neutral aliases. Special requirements for me?

kazelee Wrote:I made no assumptions and thus constructed sentences using the neutral. I apologize if you felt dehumanized by these words. Please state your gender so that I may use he or she more approprietly when pretending to ignore you.

Did I FEEL dehumanized by your disgusting post? No, on the contrary. ***YOU*** used a classical DEHUMANIZATION STRATEGY trying to HUMILIATE an "opponent", me. You failed miserably and only made more of a fool of yourself. Now also a rather disgusting fool.

BY all means: stop pretending: **DO** ignore me. I will be happy to get rid of all the crap you post here. You are merely making silly excuses for the use of "IT"? Why din't you go the full way out and use "rat", "vermin", "worm", "pig", like the Really Tough Guys do?

kazelee Wrote:Please stop refering to me as "boy."

As long as you post silly childish crap I will call you what I find appropriate. Do you prefer "baby", "child" or "girl"?? Or are you willing to TRY to behave as a grownup?

kazelee Wrote:
Quote:I surely doesn't envy her having you as a little brother, a person so totally lacking any kind of self-reflective abilities. Send my best regards to her!
I'm sure you can see the irony in these words.

No. It's my sincerely felt opinion.

Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - KanjiHanzi - 2009-01-01

Thank you, kazelee. A tremendous transformation. You are now considered reborn :-)

kazelee Wrote:With a little more tolerance (for lack of better term) for established social groups/hierarchies/domains, I believe, not only will you be successful in your goal, but you will reach it that much quicker.

Ringing a doorbell will yield far better results than kicking down the door.

It seems like a matter of opinion, again. I didn't consider my first post anything like kicking down the door. It was a serious attempt to present some thoughts it has taken me YEARS to arrive at. Nothing more.

You are right, though. I care little about groups/hierarchies/domains. But on the other hand I usually make Real Efforts not to step on toes. Had I even dreamed of that my post here would be such a bomb, I hadn't posted here at all. Honestly. I am in no hurry whatsoever to "sell" or "market". I simply thought this would be The PLACE to discuss my ideas. Very silly of me, wasn't it?

Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - kazelee - 2009-01-01

KanjiHanzi Wrote:Thank you, kazelee. A tremendous transformation. You are now considered reborn :-)

kazelee Wrote:With a little more tolerance (for lack of better term) for established social groups/hierarchies/domains, I believe, not only will you be successful in your goal, but you will reach it that much quicker.

Ringing a doorbell will yield far better results than kicking down the door.
It seems like a matter of opinion, again. I didn't consider my first post anything like kicking down the door. It was a serious attempt to present some thoughts it has taken me YEARS to arrive at. Nothing more.

You are right, though. I care little about groups/hierarchies/domains. But on the other hand I usually make Real Efforts not to step on toes. Had I even dreamed of that my post here would be such a bomb, I hadn't posted here at all. Honestly. I am in no hurry whatsoever to "sell" or "market". I simply thought this would be The PLACE to discuss my ideas. Very silly of me, wasn't it?

I was initially confused by your first post. Your second post confused me even more. To which I said " Mayeb I should just click on that link @_@"; The link you provided in your first post. This was not a stab at you. I'm sorry you felt that way.

http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?pid=37059#pid37059

This was a joke. Humor. Used to relate, not bot, my striving to berate you. Most often people respond to something like that with "yeah, huh, guess I got caried away" or something of the likes... this would be me not taking into account you personally.

http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?pid=37074#pid37074

It seemed as if you were making a tasteless threat. This is where I let my emotions get the better of me. Perhaps I misinterpreted.

http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?pid=37084#pid37084

2nd circuit. Pursing arguments.

http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?pid=37098#pid37098

Respond to insults directed at the group.

http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?pid=37111#pid37111

Attempting to understand without making too much assumption.

http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?pid=37116#pid37116

An apology. Followed by advice. Attempting to return to more rational curcuit.

http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?pid=37124#pid37124

Again using to humor. This time to make things less tense.

http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?pid=37277#pid37277

My not understanding your personal position led to this post. 2nd curcuit. Again. I apologize.

http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?pid=37279#pid37279

That was actually funny. Mean...but funny...

http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?pid=37365#pid37365

I was speaking with Mr. Tobberoth, only. This forum has no pm system. I hate sending emails, for the longest time I used a fake address. I used exclusive language. Hindsite shows it was not the smartest choice. Hindsite shows that it was even a bit passive agressive. Apologies.

http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?pid=37387#pid37387

"As long as you post silly childish crap I will call you what I find appropriate. Do you prefer "baby", "child" or "girl"?? Or are you willing to TRY to behave as a grownup?"

Please. Call me princess. Smile

KanjiHanzi Wrote:You are right, though. I care little about groups/hierarchies/domains. But on the other hand I usually make Real Efforts not to step on toes.

These things go hand in hand, though. This is especially true when dealing with human beings, is it not? How can one not step on the shoes of a particulur group when to "care little about groups/hierarchies/domains," is what said group considers to be stepping on it's shoes, for example.

KanjiHanzi Wrote:Honestly. I am in no hurry whatsoever to "sell" or "market". I simply thought this would be The PLACE to discuss my ideas. Very silly of me, wasn't it?

Silly is not your desire to discuss your idea. Silly is the approach, the word use... Even calling it silly would be using the wrong terminology. I can't speak for everyone. I can say, though, that much of the reason I was turned off, personally, was because of excessive use of the word dogma, the constant insinuation of a religious following, and, as a mistake on my part, the assumption, that you were threatening this forums reputation. You were handling things pretty well at first, considering the volleys thrown at you.

This is a site centered around Heisig's book. This is true. Everyone here is working toward a similar goal. I can say, from the few months I've been here and my personal experience, that you will not find more varied and unique opinions on how to get to this goal. Simply peruse the forum and I'm sure you will begin to see this.

When I suggested you get an editor for you blog I wasn't making a insult. At the very least a consultant would help. When I asked, why you were not being paid to advertise Japanesepod, I wasn't accusing you of selling. In fact, I was confused as to why you wouldn't be selling with that huge banner on your page (having experience with marketing myself).

Hand shakes?

Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - KanjiHanzi - 2009-01-01

kazelee Wrote:Silly is not your desire to discuss your idea. Silly is the approach, the word use... Even calling it silly would be using the wrong terminology. I can't speak for everyone. I can say, though, that much of the reason I was turned off, personally, was because of excessive use of the word dogma, the constant insinuation of a religious following, and, as a mistake on my part, the assumption, that you were threatening this forums reputation. You were handling things pretty well at first, considering the volleys thrown at you.

Despite the suspicious minds here I HAVE been around here and Heisig discussions elsewhere for many, many years. As I have said many, many times I have been discussing this from an almost entirely pro-Heisig point of view. I am still extremely pro of his METHOD/TECHNIQUE. Echo, echo echo... pro... pro ..pro..

BUT!!! My favoritism, so to say, hasn't prevented me from seeing that A GROUP of Heisig followers INDEED have built up some sort of dogmatic defense around Heisig: it's either 100% Heisig BY THE BOOK or you'll be ... If you can't see that, you haven't been around long enough. I am not a person following what other persons dictate or consider as the one and only way. No way. That' s it.

kazelee Wrote:This is a site centered around Heisig's book. This is true. Everyone here is working toward a similar goal. I can say, from the few months I've been here and my personal experience, that you will not find more varied and unique opinions on how to get to this goal. Simply peruse the forum and I'm sure you will begin to see this.

I have been reading this forum for YEARS, something I also have pointed out endlessly.

kazelee Wrote:When I suggested you get an editor for you blog I wasn't making a insult. At the very least a consultant would help. When I asked, why you were not being paid to advertise Japanesepod, I wasn't accusing you of selling. In fact, I was confused as to why you wouldn't be selling with that huge banner on your page (having experience with marketing myself).

No doubt I could need an editor or whatever. Now this particular lesson was not at all planned. I had intended to focus on Hanzi, but went to JapanesePod101.com and got an idea: Why not put up a Kanji lesson first, since most Heisig users are Kanji students? Said and done. It took a full day, which I hadn't planned. I didn't have time to polish the text. It was published as it was. Good enough for me considering the spontaneous nature of the entire idea.

kazelee Wrote:Hand shakes?

Now my wife is breaking down the door and wants me to leave That Bloody Computer :-) So,yes: SHake, shake

Introducing the Kanji Hanzi Hub - KanjiHanzi - 2009-01-02

Hmmmmm .... It's really rather interesting. Post something and it causes a bit of a stir: a tremendous amount of posts where all and every wants to add something to the frey. Create peace on earth ;-) and the whole thread drops silent!!! Controversy is obviously much more interesting than constructive dialogue.

Anyhow: Since there were some folks in this particular thread expressing interest in 'Chinese' (I honestly dislike the phrase "Chinese' as used to suggest that there is A - 1- Chinese language, like there should be "I speak European"!!):

I found a much wanted little tool last night allowing you to input pinyin in the same way as we input Japanese/Chinese in Windows: using the IME interface.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/showthread.php?t=13005

Since I write A LOT of pinyin now and then, it's more than useful. What really has kept me from writing more pinyin is that it's one hell of a job to add all these tone marks. It's no fun at all to have use the Add Symbol dialogue in Words all the time