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Migrating Heisig to Anki - need suggestions - kfmfe04 - 2008-12-09
For about 4 months now, I have been using a both RevTK and jMemorize to learn and review Kanji. Even a couple months after completion, the number of characters to review is just taking too much time.
After playing with Anki a little, I think the spacing seems to be better. What I want to do is stop using RevTK and jMemorize, and just use Anki instead. I have finished RTK1, so I don't care about order.
My plan is to import all the cards and set the number of NEW cards to 100 a day.
My question is: what will be my equilibrium number of reviews like be in 2-3 months? Will it be about around 100 cards a day? 50 a day? I want to configure the Anki system so that I can reach an equilibrium level of around 50-70 cards, if possible. I know this is hard to answer because it also depends on my retention rate, but perhaps Anki users with some experience can give me some suggestions.
Thanks in advance.
Migrating Heisig to Anki - need suggestions - Squintox - 2008-12-09
You have to review in Anki a lot too.
If you do 50 cards a day, I think within two weeks you'll already be hitting the 100-200 reviews a day mark.
In 3 months it could be 200 - 400 a day depending on retention.
Edit: Also can I have the jMemorize deck XD I've been neglecting my RTK Anki reviews ever since the move to jMemorize >_>
Migrating Heisig to Anki - need suggestions - kfmfe04 - 2008-12-09
Dang - you're moving in the other direction...
...maybe I should stay with jMemorize.
If I'm going to end up with 200 cards a day, maybe I should stay.
Anyone else have suggestions/experiences you can share?
Migrating Heisig to Anki - need suggestions - shakkun - 2008-12-09
It wouldn't be that many if you set the initial intervals to much higher than usual values. Eg.
2: 10-25 days
3: 30-50 days
4: 60-90 days
Or less. Or more. The point would just be to throw the ones you're confidant in way into the future. Then I think you'd have sane reviews in a month or two.
But anyway doesn't this site have an export progress to Anki plugin?
Migrating Heisig to Anki - need suggestions - Squintox - 2008-12-09
kfmfe04 Wrote:Dang - you're moving in the other direction...You've already finished RTK, so your reviews might not get that high. I think 300 in one day will be your peak.
...maybe I should stay with jMemorize.
If I'm going to end up with 200 cards a day, maybe I should stay.
Anyone else have suggestions/experiences you can share?
Try to use "4" more often
Migrating Heisig to Anki - need suggestions - kfmfe04 - 2008-12-09
After your post, I just discovered Deck Properties -> Advanced Scheduling.
Can someone suggest settings which have worked well for you?
(ie settings which avoid piled-up reviews).
Thanks in advance.
(I will look into that RevTK to Anki plug-in)
Edit:
300 is still way too many. I'm nearing 40,000 reviews now (two notebook-full) - it was fun for a while, but I need to start focusing on really studying (other aspects) of Japanese...
Migrating Heisig to Anki - need suggestions - Squintox - 2008-12-09
kfmfe04 Wrote:Dang - you're moving in the other direction...How many reviews are you getting with jMemorize a day?
...maybe I should stay with jMemorize.
If I'm going to end up with 200 cards a day, maybe I should stay.
Anyone else have suggestions/experiences you can share?
The "I have too many reviews" happens to everyone who does RTK in ~3 months. Even if you learn 10 kanji a day (any SRS) there will be a day where you have 70-80 reviews.
I think it'll be easier for you though, considering you've already finished RTK.
There's also this plugin for Anki called "postpone". Say you have 100 reviews today, but that's to much, you can postpone it over two days, so you get 50 reviews today and 50 tomorrow. However, the program is simple, it doesn't take into account how many times you've failed a card or what its interval was (you're more likely to remember a card due from 2 months ago then one due from 3 days ago if you wait one extra day). So 50 cards at random will get delayed,
There's also RLC Blitzer, like the "timeboxing" thing Khatzu recommends. So you can do 10 cards every sitting or so. Like in jMemorize.
Migrating Heisig to Anki - need suggestions - kfmfe04 - 2008-12-09
I'm getting 80-150 a day in jMemorize using the Exponential Setting.
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32...
Maybe I should stay with jMemorize for another month and see if the numbers drop.
I'll just ignore RevTK or I will go crazy with reviews.
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An aside: I wonder what the 10,000 sentences users are using? If they are using Anki, how do they avoid getting flooded with reviews?
I am a little worried because I started using Anki for its flexibility (via models), but I don't want to drown in reviews a month down the line.
Migrating Heisig to Anki - need suggestions - Squintox - 2008-12-09
kfmfe04 Wrote:I'm getting 80-150 a day in jMemorize using the Exponential Setting.Hmm, maybe try to make your reviewing schedule easier?
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Maybe I should stay with jMemorize for another month and see if the numbers drop.
I'll just ignore RevTK or I will go crazy with reviews.
Mines is for sentences, I get about 20-40 sentence reviews a day and ~50 kanji compounds. Here are my settings:
8 hours
3 days
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Migrating Heisig to Anki - need suggestions - liosama - 2008-12-09
i wish anki had a fail pile like this site
Cause when i fail a card i just set it to "8 hours" then write down on a piece of paper that i failed it, cause if i press again, it springs it up 10 or so cards later which is so pointless.
Migrating Heisig to Anki - need suggestions - kfmfe04 - 2008-12-09
Thanks, Squintox - I've reset jMemorize to space things out a little more!
Migrating Heisig to Anki - need suggestions - Squintox - 2008-12-09
This thread has encouraged me to go back to my RTK Anki reviews.
Holy crap, 1,948 reviews XDD Time to get to work!
Migrating Heisig to Anki - need suggestions - playadom - 2008-12-09
Squintox Wrote:This thread has encouraged me to go back to my RTK Anki reviews.That's like almost a whole RTK1!
Holy crap, 1,948 reviews XDD Time to get to work!
Migrating Heisig to Anki - need suggestions - rich_f - 2008-12-09
kfmfe04 Wrote:An aside: I wonder what the 10,000 sentences users are using? If they are using Anki, how do they avoid getting flooded with reviews?It sort of balances itself out. There are two approaches to adding new material in Anki, the stream and the flood. A steady stream with a small amount of new material steadily added every day will not overwhelm your workflow, and will slowly increase the amount of reviewing you do. Or you can do like I sometimes do, and add a crapton of cards at a time, and then spend a few days trying to digest them all into my deck.
Either way, it sort of balances itself out. If you have a lot of cards to review, you'll spend more time reviewing than adding new material. I got way behind last month, and spent the whole month pretty much just catching up, and not adding any new material. I wasn't thrilled about it, but it was the best I could do under the circumstances. It happens.
As for migrating to Anki-- isn't there a greasemonkey script or an Anki script that will take your RevTK progress and convert it to an Anki deck? I could have sworn such a beast was created long ago. (Although for RTK, I still use this site to review for its approach to failed cards.)
Migrating Heisig to Anki - need suggestions - Squintox - 2008-12-09
Blegh, reviewing in Anki feels soo... heavy. >_>
I read your other thread about jMemorize and it looks like your deck was pre-made (since you have both RTK + RTK3), can you tell me where you got it from? It's not on the official website. Thanks!
Migrating Heisig to Anki - need suggestions - kfmfe04 - 2008-12-09
I know how you feel about Anki feeling heavy - I'm not crazy about it, because it seems to crash on my quite often, it's more complex than I usually like, and the GUI feels non-standard, but I am getting used to its quirks.
I got both the RTK1 file and RTK3 file by searching on the web. Usually, I google a combination of RTK, Heisig, csv, txt, etc... Mine are from two different sources. Besides the Kanji, my RTK1 has 3e, 4e, and 5e keywords and stroke count. My RTK3 has 5e, stroke count, and reading.
I don't know where my original source files are (they were probably csv or xls) - all the data is in a personal MySQL database now.
Migrating Heisig to Anki - need suggestions - alyks - 2008-12-09
I love Anki's feeling. (If you have crash problems, you know, you can report it and get it fixed...)
I started out with kanji and Anki, I added them manually and built my deck from the ground up. Very cool how after 5 and a half months I have passed 4000 cards, all of which I added on my own.
Migrating Heisig to Anki - need suggestions - Tobberoth - 2008-12-09
You know what I hate about Anki? It's overdependance on tons of extra libraries and plugins for python. Installing it on slackware is a MESS. I've compiled QT4 for over 20 minutes now :/
Migrating Heisig to Anki - need suggestions - rich_f - 2008-12-09
I was kind of irked with Anki about a month ago, but now I'm actually pretty happy with it. When I looked around at the alternatives, I realized that I was totally spoiled. Then again, I like having a program with that degree of customization available. If I want to add 14 fields to each fact, then I can freely do it. Fun stuff. (Not that I'd go that far, though.)
And when Damien changed the review models, he listened to my (and other peoples') arguments to allow us to choose from the review order we use. So you can choose from older cards due first, newer cards due first, cards come in as they're due, and random order.
The result is that program is even better than it was before, because now you can review with whatever priority you like.
I also like the stripped-down keitai interface, which I use on my iPhone quite a bit.
I'd say Anki is what you make of it. It's not going to be all sunshine and rainbows-- that's what iKnow is for. Based on my stats, it's done an excellent job of helping me remember things in spite of myself.
And if you don't like something, tell Damien. He does listen if you make a rational argument.
Migrating Heisig to Anki - need suggestions - kfmfe04 - 2008-12-09
re: crashes - they are erratic (but usually during adds), so I have learned to save often.
re: platforms - I have installed it on Vista without any headaches. Haven't tried it on a Mac or Ubuntu, yet. From your experiences, it seems like I should avoid Linux installs. I'm not crazy about its dependence on Python either (may be the reason for many quirks), but as long as it works, no complaints...
re: iPhone - thx for the tip. I think I finally have iAnki working now on an iPod Touch. It was pretty clever leveraging Safari/browser technology. Will definitely play around with it.
One good thing for Anki seems to be the active developers supporting it. My other SRS program, jMemorize, is essentially in stasis. Luckily, I don't have many complaints about that program.
Migrating Heisig to Anki - need suggestions - rich_f - 2008-12-09
Yeah, the best SRS is the one that you will use the most often.
Migrating Heisig to Anki - need suggestions - atylmo - 2008-12-09
kfmfe04 Wrote:[...] Haven't tried it on a Mac or Ubuntu, yet. From your experiences, it seems like I should avoid Linux installs. I'm not crazy about its dependence on Python either (may be the reason for many quirks), but as long as it works, no complaints...I haven't had any problems getting it to work on Ubuntu actually. For me it was just a click and run. Though, I did have to install extra packages to get the statistics graphs (Python packages.. of course
) I didn't have to compile anything.I tried to migrate Heisig to Anki but I just couldn't keep up with it. I really do prefer this site for the reviews, at least the first time. I think once I get to adding sentences I'll be able to tolerate it better. Like others have said, it feels heavy.
Migrating Heisig to Anki - need suggestions - timcampbell - 2008-12-09
I have actually migrated to anki for reviews - well, not completely migrated, since I use the reviews on this site as well. My anki cards I use for Japanese keywords. I began adding 20-30 a day several months ago, and my reviews are around 50 a day right now. However, if you are putting in the English keywords, you can probably add them faster, and just advance them very quickly, since you know them already.
I find using anki reviews for Japanese and this site for english complement each other nicely.
Migrating Heisig to Anki - need suggestions - mentat_kgs - 2008-12-09
I like anki too. I had some troubles, but every one of them has been solved. The development is very active.
Migrating Heisig to Anki - need suggestions - playadom - 2008-12-09
mentat_kgs Wrote:I like anki too. I had some troubles, but every one of them has been solved. The development is very active.Odd, I used to think Anki was great, but many troubles have been introduced. I still think it's great though!