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AJATT's youtube videos... - Shtephen - 2008-10-26
When Khatz talks about input being better than output he is correct. Because as long as your taking your input from reliable sources such as Japanese news and books then your far better off. I know this because output without alot of input makes you retarded I have a problem with not getting alot of input (cause Im lazy) so when I speak Japanese to my Japanese wife she will let me go weeks without correcting my grammar and by that time I have all this messed up Japanese in my head because I was to busy with my output when I should of been focusing on my input. I especially cant break the habit of saying わからないだ and though I know its incorrect Ive said it so many time before I had it corrected that now it comes out all the time. Oh and to all the haterz of AJATT I just don't get you. I lived in Japan for two years and have also have taken four College Japanese courses and received over 90% grades in all of them and my Japanese didnt start turning to comprehension until I found AJATT. So if you got something to say that's really beneficial to the learning process lets hear some of that instead of all the SH!T talking.
AJATT's youtube videos... - Tobberoth - 2008-10-26
Just add an ん and it's fine. 分からないんだ.
AJATT's youtube videos... - theasianpleaser - 2008-10-26
Shtephen Wrote:so when I speak Japanese to my Japanese wife she will let me go weeks without correcting my grammar and by that time I have all this messed up Japanese in my headI think this is one of the most important points to learning natural Japanese. From my experience with native speakers you have to make a point or a suggestion for them to correct your Japanese. Well, during one-on-one time otherwise it would be annoying for anybody to constantly correct someone's mistakes.
Then, write it down, SRS it, repeat until you are Japanese
If you can't meet, setup Skype sessions with just typing. Vastly improves Japanese typing and it's very easy to copy and paste into an SRS program.
(Well, this works for me)
AJATT's youtube videos... - Cristina - 2008-11-01
Hey look!! it's khatz :O awesome!! and i thought he's be more..different lol
Nice, seeing him talk like that but after seeing him talk about japanese for a while i get to excited and run back here to you guys and read some extra posts haha
Thanks for posting!!
AJATT's youtube videos... - kazelee - 2008-11-01
WOW!!! :o
I never knew this topic had more than one page...
AJATT's youtube videos... - CaLeDee - 2008-11-01
kazelee Wrote:WOW!!! :oYeah uhh.. sorry about that. I think we got a little carried away
I never knew this topic had more than one page...
AJATT's youtube videos... - Dragg - 2008-11-19
kfmfe04 Wrote:There is constructive-criticism and destructive-criticism. Towards AJATT, I often see much more of the destructive type, not unlike the kinds of criticism I read against RtK. If you think there is a better way, please propose alternatives. Maybe someone else who can't use AJATT can learn from your experience.Although it has been said many times, I believe that a few hours a day spent at Japanesepod101.com is superior to the all-the-time or even most-of-the-time style of AJATT method. Immersion is a loaded word that means different things to different people. I'm okay with immersion if it builds upon a strong understanding of Japanese fundamentals, but unless there is a clear textbook-style progression working from the ground up or you are listening to content meant for children, watching Japanese TV or radio on Day 1 is almost useless. I have tried and tried with years of studying Japanese, but only now am I finally getting to the point where I believe I can benefit enough from Japanese background conversations to the point where they warrant a slot in my study time.
(Keep in mind, I still think learning from conversations is highly desirable; I just believe that basic structured conversations are most useful to beginners. I specifically have a problem with background noise as a learning tool.)
Japanese Pod 101 is often recognized as being beneficial on this forum, but IMHO is still highly underrated! Typically, the strongest criticism against the podcast is that Peter is annoying (he isn't even featured in all levels of the podcast btw), but even if this is true, this is a small price to pay for what that site has to offer overall.
AJATT's youtube videos... - Tobberoth - 2008-11-19
They really should remove Peter from everything above beginner level... If it wasn't enough that his Japanese pronounciation is horrible and his jokes extremely lame, it's certainly detrimental to have all that English in the podcasts. I agree though, except for Peter, all of japanesepod101 rocks, especially Mikis blog.
AJATT's youtube videos... - phauna - 2008-11-19
Yes, far too much explaining, not enough examples. It's also really repetitive.
AJATT's youtube videos... - kazelee - 2008-11-19
Dragg Wrote:So...how much are you getting paid to say that...kfmfe04 Wrote:There is constructive-criticism and destructive-criticism. Towards AJATT, I often see much more of the destructive type, not unlike the kinds of criticism I read against RtK. If you think there is a better way, please propose alternatives. Maybe someone else who can't use AJATT can learn from your experience.Although it has been said many times, I believe that a few hours a day spent at Japanesepod101.com is superior to the all-the-time or even most-of-the-time style of AJATT method. Immersion is a loaded word that means different things to different people. I'm okay with immersion if it builds upon a strong understanding of Japanese fundamentals, but unless there is a clear textbook-style progression working from the ground up or you are listening to content meant for children, watching Japanese TV or radio on Day 1 is almost useless. I have tried and tried with years of studying Japanese, but only now am I finally getting to the point where I believe I can benefit enough from Japanese background conversations to the point where they warrant a slot in my study time.
(Keep in mind, I still think learning from conversations is highly desirable; I just believe that basic structured conversations are most useful to beginners. I specifically have a problem with background noise as a learning tool.)
Japanese Pod 101 is often recognized as being beneficial on this forum, but IMHO is still highly underrated! Typically, the strongest criticism against the podcast is that Peter is annoying (he isn't even featured in all levels of the podcast btw), but even if this is true, this is a small price to pay for what that site has to offer overall.
Seriously though, how would that site compare to others like Ling and iKnow?
AJATT's youtube videos... - Dragg - 2008-11-19
Ive never heard of Ling or Iknow. I will look into them right away though. Japanesepod is somewhat flawed but so far it is the best audio source Ive come across in the sense that it attempts to be comprehensive across all levels of difficulty.
As far as being repetitive, I don't know what you mean. Pimsleur is slow as molasses in comparison and doesn't really get you much of anywhere. The "newbie" series on Japanesepod will get you much further in a shorter time. The only reason I mention Pimsleur is that it is the only other progressive audio series of quality that I have found. I think Japanesepod should drop the long musical intro, the "how are you" segment, and the occasional tangent. But barring all of those factors, it's actually very good overall.
AJATT's youtube videos... - Transtic - 2008-11-20
kazelee Wrote:Seriously though, how would that site compare to others like Ling and iKnow?Did you mean LingQ?
AJATT's youtube videos... - kazelee - 2008-11-20
Si, thanks for the correction...
AJATT's youtube videos... - SammyB - 2008-11-20
Dragg Wrote:I think Japanesepod should drop the long musical intro, the "how are you" segment, and the occasional tangent. But barring all of those factors, it's actually very good overall.Am I the only person with a FFWD on my mp3 player...? o_O
AJATT's youtube videos... - Jarvik7 - 2008-11-20
Even if you can FFWD, it's still annoying. Repeating the dialogue slowly is also totally unneeded, they talk extremely slowly to begin with. When they say it the second time I feel like I just got a head injury. Plus there is all the pointless banter (Peter loves the sound of his own voice).
There is a lot of wasted time in the podcasts, the avg 9min runtime could easily be cut down to 3-4, without any loss of material.
AJATT's youtube videos... - Dragg - 2008-11-20
@Sammy, I use Iphone to stream the lessons. If I try to FFWD, the Quicktime player crashes about half the time so I tend not to risk it.
@Jarvik, I think the slow dialogue portion is helpful to some but not all people.
I tried looking into Iknow and LingQ. They seem like they could be very good resources as well so thanks for the heads up. I'm interested in the quality of the audio on those services. One thing I like about Japanesepod is that they often release parallel formal and informal versions of the same dialogue. The dialogue is also often given in the form of a story so I appreciate the additional context that you just don't find when SRSing isolated sentences. As far as I have seen, advanced instructional Japanese audio that builds upon itself is extremely hard to come by, so I don't feel like Im in a position to complain. My listening comprehension has increased more dramatically by Japanesepod than anything else I have tried so far, and that includes sentences from sources like Kanji Odyssey using Misaki for readings. (However, Kanji Odyssey was excellent for boosting my reading and writing skills. The services LingQ and Iknow look promising because they apparently try to make the learner more well rounded than just text or audio alone with a strong emphasis on output which I also believe is helpful.)
Anyway, regardless of whether you like or dislike the Japanesepod site, I am confident that structured learning with audio is a much better route to go for the majority of people as opposed to learning through anime, background noise or whatever else interests you from Day 1 onward.
AJATT's youtube videos... - phauna - 2008-11-20
Peter always says the exact same things every single time, in the same way. It's madness inducing. Having a format is one thing, but saying the exact same actual words and phrases every time, crazy. I hate it.
The dialogues without people explaining stuff is great, so I listen to those, but the 'lessons' are terrible. Ten minutes to say nothing.
Michel Thomas has a Japanese course out now (not him personally), it's kind of like pimsleur but also a little less annoying, and shorter.
AJATT's youtube videos... - SammyB - 2008-11-20
phauna Wrote:The dialogues without people explaining stuff is great, so I listen to those, but the 'lessons' are terrible. Ten minutes to say nothing.Totally agree.
What I've been getting the most out of is:
1. skipping straight to and listening to the full speed dialogue ONLY and trying to understand as much as I can.
2. If there were any words I didn't know, I'll then skip to the vocab bit to grab the new words.
3. Go back and listen to the original dialogue again, hopefully understanding almost all of it now. Repeat once or twice if necessary. Move to next lesson.
This process cuts down a lot of time and a lot of English. Most important bit I reckon is to NOT listen to the dialogue with translation. Totally ruins it, because whenever you listen again your mind just recalls the English translation instead of really understanding.
AJATT's youtube videos... - Dragg - 2008-11-20
Phauna, the point that you keep avoiding is the rarity of intermediate to advanced Japanese language series. The Michel Thomas audio sounds interesting, but if it's anything like the scope of Pimsleur, I don't see how it would be useful to anyone except the complete novice.
One strong aspect of Japanesepod is that it is the one system that I have seen that may actually provide a complete route to near-fluency if followed correctly. Even if there are annoyances with some of the lower level lessons, the point is that they will give new learners a base from which to understand the later lessons. Even if the pace and format is not agreeble to everyone, there is no doubting that substance exists on all levels and they prepare for each other quite nicely IMO. (Although perhaps LingQ or Iknow can do the same with less annoying presentation.) Japanesepod is also free for new lessons and cheap for the rest which gives it a strong advantage over Pimsleur which goes on for ages, is incredibly repetitive, and gets you almost nowhere in comparison. If you guys have tried Japanesepod and think you know of a system that you think stands a better chance at leading to near-fluency, I'd love to hear it along with your reasoning.
AJATT's youtube videos... - mentat_kgs - 2008-11-20
I hate peter too. But I kinda grew fond on Natsuko. I have the impression that she does voice acting somewhere else.
BTW, pimsleur comes from nothing to begginer. It is a lot if you think twice.
AJATT's youtube videos... - Dragg - 2008-11-20
mentat, I used to think highly about Pimsleur too. But the fact is that Japanesepod's lowest level, "newbie" will take you further in a shorter period of time at a fraction of the cost. After I did Pimsleur, I tried the "beginner" lessons on Japanesepod but they were a little over my head so I had to go back to about midway between the season 2 newbie series to find a spot I felt comfortable with. Pimsleur is ok and makes some advances; in particular, it got me used to hearing the rhythm of spoken Japanese along with strongly enforcing some of the most very basic grammar points; I just think it is way too expensive and drawn out.
To clarify, I would still recommend Pimsleur as a prerequisite to Japanesepod, if the person is struggling with the pace of the newbie level or just wants even more basic exposure. Pimsleur and Japanesepod are the only two audio series I have encountered that have any real merit. (Although the Michel Thomas sounds like it might be better than Pimsleur based on a review I just read.)
AJATT's youtube videos... - Codexus - 2008-11-20
SammyB Wrote:Am I the only person with a FFWD on my mp3 player...? o_ODepending on where you are and what you are doing when you listen to the podcasts, that's not very practical. Try fast forwarding while running to catch the next bus!
But personally I don't really mind the repetitive parts even when listening to jpod 2 hours a day. It's just that the slow version of the dialog is sometimes really too slow. I'm listening to the lower intermediates and in a few lessons it's crazy, it's like it's meant for a first lesson in Japanese even though the grammar is somewhat advanced.
AJATT's youtube videos... - Tobberoth - 2008-11-20
Yeah, it's way too slow... I really don't understand how they are thinking.. the content of the podcasts is great, the high level stuff really use high level grammar and vocabulary, and they keep it interesting... one thing is sure, they know what levels there are to Japanese. Question is, how can they know that and still fail to pace the lessons properly? Why is an advanced lesson as slow as a beginners lesson? Yeah, the grammar and vocabulary is harder, that doesn't mean you need more time hearing words, you just need more help in understanding them.
AJATT's youtube videos... - mentat_kgs - 2008-11-20
I recomend pimsleur basic 1.
I really cannot recomend japanesepod, because I tought it mas more boring than pimsleur.
There are plenty of great movies, anime and doramas with great dialogues that you can rip audio from.
AJATT's youtube videos... - Dragg - 2008-11-20
I've ripped a lot of audio from DVD's, but the problem is that it is a time-consuming process that I find even more boring, and it also lacks structure. You have to determine for yourself what you think you should be learning every step of the way when you rip your own audio as opposed to relying upon a curiculuum thought out by native speakers or linguists. I have nearly 7000 cards in my SRS; granted, a lot of them don't have audio but a fair percentage do. I truly believe that if Khatzu's theories were as good as he claims, I should be well on my way to fluency by now. I don't feel like this is the case. You are free to believe what you want, but by ignoring structured methods like Japanesepod101 or similar methods, I think you will be ultimately shooting yourself in the foot.