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Heisig contradicts with JLPT and not enough time. What to do? - Mesqueeb - 2008-10-21
see post 5 !
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Heya! I am Mesqueeb.
I am from Belgium and living in Japan for 1 year through a student exchange program.
I signed up for 3kyu JLPT. I started out with learning the 4kyu kanji (first 100) with how they are written and pronounced in japanese. But then I met Heisig... I am so addicted to his method! I am not motivated to learn the other 200 kanji for 3kyu through my old method: drilling... But what to do? The Heisig method is not made for JLPT, and I have the test in December, so I will need to know how to read and pronounce 200 more kanji, which I can't do with Heisig! Do I need to set Heisig aside, and go back to drilling for 200 more kanji, take the test, and return to heisig? This seems the only option to me, which is surely not a pleasant one! (By now I have only done 350 of Heisig's Kanji Order)
Please help me!
-Mesqueeb
Heisig contradicts with JLPT and not enough time. What to do? - phauna - 2008-10-21
If you need or want to pass 3 kyu, then drop heisig, or do heisig for the 200 kanji you need to learn. It will be harder doing it out of order, but you only have to learn 200, that's a piece of cake, about two weeks to do it at most. You can use Anki with the Heisig deck, suspend all the unknown cards and just unsuspend the 3 kyu ones. At the same time try to dump all the 3 kyu vocab that you don't yet know into your srs, and any grammar sentences you might need and drill the hell out of them. To pass a test you need to study to the test.
Go straight here and start, get the example sentences, put them in and drill. Do past tests also.
http://www.jlptstudy.com/3/index.html
Dump all that into Anki or something, quickly now. Get to it.
Heisig contradicts with JLPT and not enough time. What to do? - Tobberoth - 2008-10-21
I say do Heisig at the same time as you do "regular" studies for the kanji for JLPT3. Use the Heisig technique for those 200 kanji if you want, but I wouldn't recommend it.
1. You don't know the radicals.
2. You have no need of writing kanji on JLPT, you just need to be able to read them.
Basically, all the good stuff you get from Heisig is more or less useless on JLPT. For the JLPT3 kanji, study JLPT3 vocabulary using the kanji instead, it's the most effective way.
Heisig contradicts with JLPT and not enough time. What to do? - kfmfe04 - 2008-10-21
Tobberoth Wrote:Basically, all the good stuff you get from Heisig is more or less useless on JLPT. For the JLPT3 kanji, study JLPT3 vocabulary using the kanji instead, it's the most effective way.I agree 100% with Tobberoth...
You should also be taking practice tests for JLPT3 by now.
Heisig contradicts with JLPT and not enough time. What to do? - Mesqueeb - 2008-10-30
Heya! I want to start learning for the JLPT 3kyu, but I have no Idea how.
A friend adviced me ANKI!
Does anyone know a good voc list for JLPT 3kyu for anki? (+ kanji)
I am not wanting to learn to write Kanji, since I'll use Heisig for that after the JLPT, but I just want a voc list or something which includes kanji.
Thanks a lot!
-Mesqueeb
Heisig contradicts with JLPT and not enough time. What to do? - kfmfe04 - 2008-10-30
http://www.jlptstudy.com/3/index.html
Heisig contradicts with JLPT and not enough time. What to do? - mentat_kgs - 2008-10-30
I'd read at least the preface of RTK, tought.
Heisig contradicts with JLPT and not enough time. What to do? - Mesqueeb - 2008-10-31
thanks for the site but is that available for anki??
(and don't worry! I already know the first 350 Kanji of Heisigs method! But am obligated to quit now! Will continue after the JLPT!)
-Mesqueeb
Heisig contradicts with JLPT and not enough time. What to do? - Nukemarine - 2008-10-31
I think Anki's wiki site has downloads of JLPT 3 vocabulary. That combined with the plug-in for tanuki sentences that match that vocabulary word should help.
Still, I think it's better if you study Japanese then take the test. You benefit better as you learn Japanese and let the test gauge where you're at. Studying for a test gives you a skewed perspective on your actual skill level.
Heisig contradicts with JLPT and not enough time. What to do? - Mesqueeb - 2008-10-31
But I want to study with Heisig, but the test does not require that at all! So I'll just study the 3kyu kanji with anki first (inputting them myself now) with speakings in japanese and stuff, and after the test I can go finish heisig. Grammer should be no problem, since I am living in Japan and I can talk normally with people.
3kyu voc set is no where to be found so I am inputting some kanji myself starting tomorrow.
Hope I'll make it in time for the test to be actually be able to study a bit...
-Mesqueeb
Heisig contradicts with JLPT and not enough time. What to do? - phauna - 2008-10-31
http://www.jlptstudy.com/3/index.html
This link has a complete vocabulary set, grammar, expressions, everything, and it has already been posted in this thread two times.
Copy the table and paste it into an excel spreadsheet, format it how you wish, perhaps three columns, kana, kanji and English. Then cut and paste that into a notepad text document. This is what is called a tab delimited file. Now import that into anki, using an appropriate model, again perhaps three fields, kanji, kana and English.
Heisig contradicts with JLPT and not enough time. What to do? - Mesqueeb - 2008-10-31
Whoah thanks! I understand how to get it in the excel document, and I guess I can just copy past it into a txt. But how would I get that txt document into Anki?
Please tell me! You'd help me A LOT!
-Mesqueeb
Heisig contradicts with JLPT and not enough time. What to do? - phauna - 2008-10-31
Go to deck > import. Then choose the text file to import, choose the model you will use and then arrange the fields in your deck model to match the columns in the text document. Perhaps test your importing skills on a different deck before you add things to your main deck.
Heisig contradicts with JLPT and not enough time. What to do? - Mesqueeb - 2008-10-31
I did all that but I can only upload .anki files into Anki, so I renamed my txt tot a .anki file, but I don't get it imported into Anki... It won't work, it doesn't do anything. What it does do is create a .anki-journal and a .anki-v3 files from the original .anki file, but I can't open them and don't know what they do... Further more nothing happens...
and besides that the txt file looks weird (the collums) after copy pasting it from excell...
Please help me! xD
-Mesqueeb
Heisig contradicts with JLPT and not enough time. What to do? - phauna - 2008-10-31
Firstly make a deck, design your model, etc. or use another deck. You may have needed to create an empty deck to import the text file into.
Keep the text file as a .txt format. Then go to the import command, *not* the open command, choose tab delimited text file as the file format, choose your text file, then organise the fields and import them. The text file will of course look messy, it should show tabs between columns, and they won't be straight.
Heisig contradicts with JLPT and not enough time. What to do? - Mesqueeb - 2008-10-31
Thanks a lot! Now I have a full db of both JLPT 3 and 4 voc lists!
<3
-Mesqueeb