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How do you pronounce this? @_@ - kazelee - 2008-10-14
TSUTSU
As is in 包む. Or better. に包まれた
I have an audio recording where the speaker sounds as if he's saying につまれた. It's like he skipped and entire syllable.
How do you pronounce this? @_@ - Jarvik7 - 2008-10-14
It's pronounced... tsutsumu. Although the u vowel in Japanese becomes devocalized very easily so you might hear it as tstsumu/tstsmu depending on the speaker.
Maybe the recording is saying 積む（つむ）, which has a somewhat similar meaning in some usages?
How do you pronounce this? @_@ - kazelee - 2008-10-14
Perhaps, there are points where the books says ゆ but he says い for 行.
How do you pronounce this? @_@ - kazelee - 2008-10-14
I just checked the meaning of 積む. It was not what he intented. This is driving me nuts.
Is it possible that when read fast に包む can be pronounced にっつむ.
Edit:
Okay, now after listening to it for the umpteenth time it sounds like Nit-tsumareta which I guess is what you were saying when you put "tstsumu."
How do you pronounce this? @_@ - alyks - 2008-10-14
This kind of thing is why I like to watch J stuff with the script. I never put anything in my SRS without written confirmation. I would if something was totally obvious, but if it's that obvious, I already know it and don't need to put it in.
How do you pronounce this? @_@ - kazelee - 2008-10-14
Yeah. It was written. It just didn't sound like what was written there. I'm not adding this to the SRS just yet (splicing an mp3 is not fun). I was just shadowing a Soseki story.
The reader makes many small changes, like with 行, so I was wondering if there were some sort of alternate pronunciation.
How do you pronounce this? @_@ - samesong - 2008-10-15
What's the context? に is commonly placed before 包む to show what something is wrapped in.
How do you pronounce this? @_@ - nac_est - 2008-10-15
Unless I'm mistaken, I think 包む can also be pronounced くるむ. I guess it depends on the context.
How do you pronounce this? @_@ - Tobberoth - 2008-10-15
nac_est Wrote:Unless I'm mistaken, I think 包む can also be pronounced くるむ. I guess it depends on the context.Correct, looking them up on Sanseido shows that the meaning is different though, tsutsumu seems to have a broader meaning.
How do you pronounce this? @_@ - kazelee - 2008-10-15
samesong Wrote:What's the context? に is commonly placed before 包む to show what something is wrapped in.大きな潤いある眼で、長い睫に包まれた中は、ただ一面に真っ黒であった。
Mp3 can be found here.
http://speaking-japanese.com/breaking/lite_01.html
It's at around 1分2０.
How do you pronounce this? @_@ - albion - 2008-10-15
I can hear the つつ part (but maybe that's because I know it's supposed to be there). It sounds like the vowel of the first syllable isn't voiced, so it comes out more as "tstsu".
How do you pronounce this? @_@ - samesong - 2008-10-15
You heard correctly, kind of =). He is in fact saying つ twice, but the first time he says it, the う isn't voiced. It's kind of like how you say です and it comes out sounding like 'Dess'.
edit -- albion beat me to it!
How do you pronounce this? @_@ - kazelee - 2008-10-15
Thanks guys
