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iPhone two months out and why I was wrong about jailbreaking - FutureBlues - 2008-10-15
rich_f Wrote:That's impressive. I thought that Apple had crippled push on the iPhone so that only mobileme accounts were supported.Do you just blindly speculate on products you know nothing about or is there some place out there on the intertron that is feeding you all this nonsensical info?
MobileMe uses industry standard push specifications. There's no way Apple could "cripple" the iPhone to work for MobileMe only unless they built their own push technology from the ground up.
There's no conspiracy here people.
iPhone two months out and why I was wrong about jailbreaking - rich_f - 2008-10-16
No, I've actually had a 3G since they rolled out over here, and while I can get my Gmail to update on the phone if I actually go into the account and ask it if I have new email it doesn't push. The only email service I have on the damn phone that will push is mobileme.
By "push," I mean that my iPhone, while sitting quietly in standby mode, will chime when it gets an email, but only from MobileMe. It doesn't do it from any other email service I have on the phone.
If there is another service that will actually make my iPhone ring when I get new email that isn't mobileme (that doesn't require me to jailbreak it), I would actually like to know about it.
iPhone two months out and why I was wrong about jailbreaking - annabel398 - 2008-10-16
@rich_f: I double-checked your earlier postings to make sure that you live in the US, and it seems you do, so here's the scoop:
Yahoo Mail is push on the iPhone in the US, and has been since rollout. By "push" I mean that, with your iPhone sitting idle, when an email arrives at Yahoo, your phone will make a tone (assuming you have Settings > Sounds > Ring > New Mail turned ON) and also vibrate (assuming you have Settings > Sounds > Ring > Vibrate turned ON).
I usually have it turned off, but it is occasionally useful, as when I was AFK for several days and my office needed me to be in touch via email. My boss is one who freaks out if I don't reply within minutes...
iPhone two months out and why I was wrong about jailbreaking - dilandau23 - 2008-10-16
FutureBlues Wrote:MobileMe uses industry standard push specifications.Really? What standard are you talking about?
iPhone two months out and why I was wrong about jailbreaking - Jarvik7 - 2008-10-16
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push-IMAP
^-See the last paragraph.
Yahoo push mail support has been on iPhone since launch whereas MobileMe came out around the same time as 2.x
iPhone two months out and why I was wrong about jailbreaking - dilandau23 - 2008-10-16
Jarvik7 Wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push-IMAPMy conspiracy theory lives to fight another day.....weeeeeee
^-See the last paragraph.
Yahoo push mail support has been on iPhone since launch whereas MobileMe came out around the same time as 2.x
iPhone two months out and why I was wrong about jailbreaking - FutureBlues - 2008-10-16
rich_f Wrote:No, I've actually had a 3G since they rolled out over here, and while I can get my Gmail to update on the phone if I actually go into the account and ask it if I have new email it doesn't push. The only email service I have on the damn phone that will push is mobileme.Try making a US-based Yahoo! account. Believe me it works. I live in Shimane. Japanese phones can email my Yahoo account no problem and I'm usually pushed the email within a minute. However, Softbank's email system is more reliable, mostly because we're running on their network. Whereas Yahoo! has eaten or delayed a few of my sent mails and failed to push emails to my phone in a timely matter about 10-20% of the time, Softbank usually sends me the silent notification a few seconds after a new email arrives. However, there have been times when I've failed to receive the Softbank pop-up too, so I can't say either is particularly reliable in a pinch. (I give out both and use one or the other about 50% of the time.) And I otherwise just keep an eye on my phone or check it manually when I'm expecting email or meeting someone.
By "push," I mean that my iPhone, while sitting quietly in standby mode, will chime when it gets an email, but only from MobileMe. It doesn't do it from any other email service I have on the phone.
If there is another service that will actually make my iPhone ring when I get new email that isn't mobileme (that doesn't require me to jailbreak it), I would actually like to know about it.
When I was talking about industry-standard protocols, I was referring to this article on Apple Insider: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/08/11/inside_mobileme_apples_push_vs_exchange_blackberry_google.html&page=2
The reason your gmail account doesn't push to your phone is simple: Gmail doesn't yet support push mail. A simple google search would have told you that much. (There is a way to have gmail sort of pushed to your phone involving IMAP but again, it's not reliable.)
I haven't tried MobileMe so I can't say for sure how reliable it is compared to Yahoo! or Softbank's internal mail servers.
iPhone two months out and why I was wrong about jailbreaking - rich_f - 2008-10-16
I've had mobileme since the rollout, and it has never failed to ring when i get an email, *but* I'm still on the extended trial version (they keep extending the free trial, dunno why), and I'm not sure I want to pay $99 a year for an email address.
I'll look into using Yahoo. Free is better than $99, although mobileme does have one handy app-- the ability to sync all of my Gmail contacts to my contacts list on my iPhone. But for everything else, I prefer to just use Google's free services. They're free, and they're more robust. Mobileme gave me all sorts of headaches when I first started using it. (Like how it wouldn't run on Firefox 3 for a while, and how it randomly wont' let me log in, and how it won't let me map a network drive, etc...)
So for mail, mobileme is very reliable, but for everything else, it's kind of "meh."
iPhone two months out and why I was wrong about jailbreaking - FutureBlues - 2008-10-16
What I really want is the visual notification and the beep and the vibration all together because there are times I keep my phone in my bag and would like something visual on the screen.
Why no service can get it right really blows my mind.
iPhone two months out and why I was wrong about jailbreaking - dilandau23 - 2008-10-17
FutureBlues Wrote:Why no service can get it right really blows my mind.Trust me, if you install SBankNotify, you will never feel the need to look back. There even seem to be some people working on the lack of emoji problem. Not that it will probably matter after 2.2 but the jailbreak-otaku aren't just sitting around with there collective thumbs up their bums to be sure. Now my biggest beef is that if an AU customer sends a mail containing emoji it gets encoded incorrectly and the entire mail becomes unreadable. If I connect to my mailbox from Outlook they are fine though. And yes I have asked my AU friends to stop using them, but they forget between every mail it seems :/