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Unicom JLPT 2 Grammar Notes - chamcham - 2008-08-15

Found this on Demonoid.com

Someone graciously typed up a PDF summing up all the grammar points
from the Unicom JLPT 2 grammar book.

Even better, there are hyperlinks to their jgram.org entries as well as indexes into the 500 essential sentence patterns textbook. Also includes highlighting and detailed usage notes.

The author intended to make this their one-stop grammar reference for JLPT 2 studying.

Go to Demonoid.com -> Search for "JLPT 2 grammar points prep course"

Unicom JLPT 2 Grammar Notes - esgrove - 2008-08-16

Looks useful, but I can't download it because I'm not a member of Demonoid.

Unicom JLPT 2 Grammar Notes - playadom - 2008-08-16

Ooh, i've had my eyes on this for a while, but i'm also not a member of demonoid...

Unicom JLPT 2 Grammar Notes - atreya - 2008-08-16

My Friend who is a member of Demonoid was kind enough to email the file to me... So I took the liberty of uploading it. ^^

[Admin]Please don't post direct links to illegal downloads as well as links to torrent sites and such. (see my post below)

Unicom JLPT 2 Grammar Notes - rich_f - 2008-08-17

Awesome info. Thanks.

Unicom JLPT 2 Grammar Notes - Sequa - 2008-08-17

Thanks a lot. It looks really useful.

Unicom JLPT 2 Grammar Notes - atreya - 2008-08-17

Hmmm, is the link working ?

Unicom JLPT 2 Grammar Notes - erlog - 2008-08-18

Just so you guys know, I would never in a million years consider this notes. Someone pretty much just typed up the book, and then exported as a pdf. Keep in mind that, if you use this without paying for it, you should consider yourself as having stolen the book.

If you are fine with that then go ahead, but let's all be very honest about what's really going on here.

Unicom JLPT 2 Grammar Notes - Mcjon01 - 2008-08-18

Piracy. Not theft. The publisher still has a copy of their book, I didn't take it from them. Not that I feel any need to justify theft; if nothing bad happens to me for doing it, then it wasn't wrong. Besides, I've always found copyrights on language learning materials to be something of a joke, since it's pretty much one step away from trying to copyright a language. What's next, putting patents on genes? (Oh, wait...)

But I digress. The real question is, if I download a PDF copy of a book that I've never heard of and have no intention of ever buying, and then never so much as open that file, did I still steal something?

Unicom JLPT 2 Grammar Notes - atreya - 2008-08-18

Lets no digress from the topic at hand. I haven't personally gone through the file word by word. From what I saw of the contents, it pretty much looked like a summary of the grammar points rather than the copy of the book itself.

Unicom JLPT 2 Grammar Notes - Nukemarine - 2008-08-18

Mcjon01 Wrote:Piracy. Not theft. The publisher still has a copy of their book, I didn't take it from them. Not that I feel any need to justify theft; if nothing bad happens to me for doing it, then it wasn't wrong. Besides, I've always found copyrights on language learning materials to be something of a joke, since it's pretty much one step away from trying to copyright a language. What's next, putting patents on genes? (Oh, wait...)

But I digress. The real question is, if I download a PDF copy of a book that I've never heard of and have no intention of ever buying, and then never so much as open that file, did I still steal something?
Various societies from before you were born decided that ideas made tangible in works of art and literature can be protected by force of law. So your opinions on the matter will only take you so far should the powers that be decide to exercise their rights. You can of course go about the various methods to change the law and/or the enforcement of it. Don't want to agree and play along with Society? Don't bitch when Society makes their feelings known toward you in a very harsh way.

That said, with the internet, it's mandatory to rethink what can be reasonably protected. Obtaining a copy is not a bad as giving out the copies. Sort of a piracy equivalent of punishing the dealer of drugs instead of the buyer. In fact, with the internet, it shows the obsurdity of enforcing copyright on easy to pass on materials. Imagine back in 1950 trying to get ANYONE that heard a song on the radio to send 5 cents to the owners of that song (whether you wanted to listen to it or not). Once an item is out there, it's nigh impossible to get it removed.

Let's face it, Corporations (well, the suits in charge of it), wanted to make tape recorders, video recorders, camcorders, file decryption software, internet sharing, etc. illegal. Anything that prevented them from getting some sort of compensation they wanted to use government to prevent further use. Luckily, the US courts have been more liberal on the legality recording devices. In fact, it's now the corpations use of easy to record items and distribution methods (DVD's, Software, Internet backbones) that gave them record profits that allows the ease of passing their coveted copyrighted items. Basicly, they want their cake, and eat it too.

Anyway, copyright is still such a huge topic, no thread will ever do it justice. Usually it'll devolve to someone calling someone else a Nazi I'm sure.

Unicom JLPT 2 Grammar Notes - Mcjon01 - 2008-08-18

Nukemarine Wrote:Usually it'll devolve to someone calling someone else a Nazi I'm sure.
That's the plan. I'll admit, I'm a bit of a rapscallion.

Unicom JLPT 2 Grammar Notes - erlog - 2008-08-18

I'm not going to argue semantics. That is a strawman. I will instead tell you that I have my book in one hand, and the pdf on my screen. Aside from polish/formatting/typesetting differences, it is the same as the book I'm holding in my hand.

The example sentences are the same, and it includes all of them for all the grammar points from the book. Who cares what you call it. People who didn't pay for this content are receiving this content. It's wrong, and this site, I believe, has clear policies on stuff like this that makes this against the rules. There's a reason the initial source of this thing is Demonoid, c'mon.

Unicom JLPT 2 Grammar Notes - Mcjon01 - 2008-08-18

Oh, I totally agree that it has no place on this site. I wouldn't want to see Fabrice get in trouble. D:

I'll even admit that it's in direct violation of the law, and that it quite possibly murdered the author of the book's babies.

I don't see how any of that makes it wrong, though.

Unicom JLPT 2 Grammar Notes - erlog - 2008-08-18

Keep on fighting the man on some sort of crusade on principle. I'm not going to argue with you. I don't have to.

Unicom JLPT 2 Grammar Notes - QuackingShoe - 2008-08-18

erlog Wrote:There's a reason the initial source of this thing is Demonoid, c'mon.
Aw, hey now! I've gotten tons of legitimate resources off of demonoid! Like, for example, uhm...
Wasn't there that one thing that one time...

Unicom JLPT 2 Grammar Notes - atreya - 2008-08-18

Ah well, I didn't realize this amounted to piracy. ごめん ^^;;

Unicom JLPT 2 Grammar Notes - ファブリス - 2008-08-18

Thanks for understanding.

I think everybody have their own reasons to download illegal copies of copyrighted material (games, music, ebooks, etc), and it's up to each individual to choose whether that's acceptable for them or not (putting aside legal concerns).

However I made the decision NOT to condone piracy on these boards for reasons explained in the updated guidelines for posting and participating in these forums (there is also an annoucement).

As I see it it's a kind of attitude, and this attitude has an influence on the community as a whole and where these boards are going. I'm no better than anyone else here, I download my share of copyrighted stuff every now and then, and also have my own reasons for it. But I'm thinking of the community as a whole here.

We can discuss piracy in general in another topic if you like (hopefuly something else than arguing between the meanings of "theft" and "piracy"..), but otherwise this thread is getting OOT.