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The Encouragement Thread - TheSpartan - 2008-08-31
keep going as long as you are clearing out your failed pile, and don't add more than you think you can handle. Just don't give up and you'll be fine. And remember to use your imagination!
The Encouragement Thread - chochajin - 2008-09-02
Up to frame 1026 since yesterday and thus halfway through (even more than that). Great feeling!
But I'll stop for 1-2 days and do reviews before I go on.
The Encouragement Thread - AdamLeliel - 2008-09-04
Urgh, so close to halfway but I'm feeling so burnt out. Even neglected my reviews yesterday and now I have 160 to do today.
The Encouragement Thread - ファブリス - 2008-09-04
I took a long break at halfway and three quarters point. One was dangerously long, but then I also wrote the first version of the site at that time. Then it motivated me to continue.
So I suppose 1-2 week break during which you review only, is not a bad idea. A month break could be reasonable too, if you do something that boosts your motivation to learn more, like do some grammar or vocabulary (say, you're playing a Japanese DS game). You will see and use some of those kanji which will motivate you to get back on it. If you're already halfway through RtK this shouldn't distract you from the goal of completing the 2042 kanji. If you're worried of dropping out, make a commitment to yourself, fix a date for resuming the RtK. If you burn yourself out you're going to force yourself to stop anyway.
The Encouragement Thread - Tobberoth - 2008-09-04
Walden Wrote:I just did todays reviews, failed over 50%, I really don't want to stop, but they just won't sink in, I'm at 140, so should I just carry on or start over hoping they stick?Yeah you need to calm down. 140 is not a lot of kanji, you shouldn't fail over 50%. Instead of adding new, slow down and really make good stories for the ones you fail. Don't just take the first best story you can think of, think of one that will really help you. When you notice your reviews are getting better (70% should be fine) you can start adding new kanji again.
The Encouragement Thread - KristinHolly - 2008-09-04
Just finished lesson 29, so 1086 is up next. I've been studying Japanese for a long time--I recognize many of these in context already but they squirm about in my memory, eluding my grasp. This method is helping me to pin down the characters and remember details, but I am impatient to get through.
The Encouragement Thread - kazelee - 2008-09-11
kazelee Wrote:I thought I should point out that once I started learning sentences the difference between these two just clicked. I don't confuse them anymore, perhaps, because I, now, have a use for them. (wow look at all the commas; no wonder this language is so freakin hard)pazustep Wrote:LoLkazelee Wrote:I just hit 一万. And oh am I loving it.I think you mean 一千
You is right. I think I should start all over again. Any ideas on how to not confuse these two?
Quote:What's that smell? Is something... burning?Quiet you!
Common, guys.
Over a week since the last post. Get your booties in gear! 8)
There is cake, here, for those of you who finish
The Encouragement Thread - mentat_kgs - 2008-09-11
万 and 千 are even more confusing for me.
The problem is that "cem" is hundred in portuguese. But 千（せん） is thousand in japanese!
The Encouragement Thread - AdamLeliel - 2008-09-17
Oh god. I've completely lost motivation. My review pile is 125 and I don't even feel like doing one. This is rather annoying.
The Encouragement Thread - kazelee - 2008-09-18
AdamLeliel Wrote:Oh god. I've completely lost motivation. My review pile is 125 and I don't even feel like doing one. This is rather annoying.Go to sleep then do a set number when you wake up in the morning. You'll be less likely to try and cop out. Repeat until finished.
The Encouragement Thread - Sam79 - 2008-09-18
I might as well ask that here (hoping that the answer will be encouraging...) - right now I am close to the finish line of RtK1 and my expired cards are more than 100 every day. What will that number be like once all card have moved to the last stack and been there for a while? Anybody who has finished them long ago, how many reviews do you typically have to do?
The Encouragement Thread - Tobberoth - 2008-09-18
Sam79 Wrote:I might as well ask that here (hoping that the answer will be encouraging...) - right now I am close to the finish line of RtK1 and my expired cards are more than 100 every day. What will that number be like once all card have moved to the last stack and been there for a while? Anybody who has finished them long ago, how many reviews do you typically have to do?If I understood the system correctly, it takes a card over 200 days to expire in the last pile, so you will probably not even have to do reviews every day eventually.
The Encouragement Thread - alyks - 2008-09-18
kazelee Wrote:Sleeping is the best thing for memory. It's the difference between a 50% and 80% retention.AdamLeliel Wrote:Oh god. I've completely lost motivation. My review pile is 125 and I don't even feel like doing one. This is rather annoying.Go to sleep then do a set number when you wake up in the morning. You'll be less likely to try and cop out. Repeat until finished.
The Encouragement Thread - kokeshidoll17 - 2008-09-18
AdamLeliel Wrote:Oh god. I've completely lost motivation. My review pile is 125 and I don't even feel like doing one. This is rather annoying.Hey don't worry about it! I just started in on my fail pile a few days ago and it was somewhere in the upper 200's (now in the upper 100's, woo ).
The whole reason it got to that point was that I refused to go through it everyday in the first place. I just kept on adding and reviewing. While I still don't think its a huge issue to have a large amount of failed cards, I do think its important to just do a few of them everyday. Let's say I have a goal to do 30 cards a day, I just split it up between studying failed ones and adding new ones. I aim to always go 50/50, but I usually end up doing more of each (I have a lot of free time at the moment).
Anyway, I know that RTK is set up in a way to learn the primitives in such and such an order to allow you to move ahead and build. Even if you failed a bunch with a certain primitive, if you learn it in a new kanji it can help you remember the ones where you failed it and vice versa, which has made going through the failed ones much easier for me.
I hope you stick through it and just go slow and take it one kanji at a time! You'll get there and it will be glorious. Promise.
The Encouragement Thread - phauna - 2008-09-18
alyks Wrote:Sleeping is the best thing for memory. It's the difference between a 50% and 80% retention.I used to think that but I hardly sleep at all, because of my daughter, and still with an SRS I'm up around 94% retention. I think an SRS doesn't allow you to forget no matter what, and perhaps I put a little more effort in because of my sleep deprivation.
The Encouragement Thread - alyks - 2008-09-18
phauna Wrote:That's funny because I used to think it was untrue, but now I'm finding things easier to remember now that I sleep more.alyks Wrote:Sleeping is the best thing for memory. It's the difference between a 50% and 80% retention.I used to think that but I hardly sleep at all, because of my daughter, and still with an SRS I'm up around 94% retention. I think an SRS doesn't allow you to forget no matter what, and perhaps I put a little more effort in because of my sleep deprivation.
The Encouragement Thread - activeaero - 2008-09-18
I've been browsing this forum for the past month and it's truly amazing. 33 days in and I'm currently at 891 but I'm finally starting to feel the burn (as in getting burned out). My fail piles have been getting increasingly larger so I think I'm going to chill on adding new cards for a few days and really focus on getting the current cards passed on to the later stacks before resuming my push. My goal is to have it done in under 2 months so I'm a little behind but I think if I allow myself a bit to "catch up" so to speak I can drive home hard like I did at the beginning (I learned the first 500 cards in less than a week) and hopefully meet my goal. Guess we'll see......
The Encouragement Thread - AdamLeliel - 2008-09-19
kazelee Wrote:I would, but unfortunately, I don't have any time in the morning to do it. I have to leave the house at 7:30.AdamLeliel Wrote:Oh god. I've completely lost motivation. My review pile is 125 and I don't even feel like doing one. This is rather annoying.Go to sleep then do a set number when you wake up in the morning. You'll be less likely to try and cop out. Repeat until finished.
The Encouragement Thread - canji - 2008-09-21
kazelee Wrote:Sugoi Kazelee. Omedeto.
HEHEHEHE
This will be the first, only, and last time I type these words willingly
やったー！！！！！！
I hope you don't leave this thread because you are one positive dude (dudette) and a big help.
The Encouragement Thread - canji - 2008-09-21
Ji_suss Wrote:Canji, I think I'm going at about the same pace that you are.Oh good. Just something for us lower triple digit folks.
I DID get that joke about stopping at 370!
The Encouragement Thread - canji - 2008-09-21
If Walden is still out there and I hope he/she is, don't panic, don't give up. Even 50% is still 1000 kanji in the end and that number will go up from there if you work on your failed ones.
One piece of advice: I wonder if you are really making your stories as memorable as they need to be. My friend gave me this advice: Make the stories personal. Use every bit of your personal history and experience to create a story. Then use every bit of the personal history and experience of people that you know. Unlock the deepest darkest recesses of your imagination and memory. It does not matter how stupid, trivial, rude, offensive, dark, perverted, painful, outrageous, and/or embarrassing the story is, use it anyway (you don't have to share it). Use this for an entirely original story or morph someone else's to make it your own.
Also, don't write the story, at least not every time. It ought to be a picture in your head. Besides the stories will stop being provided at about 500 and you will want to be in the habit of creating your own.
Do not get hung up on remembering all of them at once. It is a process.
The Encouragement Thread - canji - 2008-09-21
So I was away from RTK for about a month. I had gotten up to 370 at that time. So in the last month I only reviewed expired cards and I only did it twice and I thought about kanji not at all in between. The results are now I have 258 cards in the 4+ reviews, 16 cards in the 3 reviews and 96 failed cards. Most of the failed cards came from the one review and two review piles which now stand empty.
So my point is that this is encouraging that the cards that l made it to the 3 and 4 reviews piles have stuck with me even if I had been ignoring them. The system seems to be working.
But they aren't learning themselves so I look forward to getting back on it.
The Encouragement Thread - canji - 2008-09-21
Last post for today;
Has anyone out there studied the Jordon method? I have the two writing books in front of me. I like the writing books but hate the speaking books (written only in romaji). The writing books cover 400 kanji. I assume the "first" 400 kanji.
My question is this: would studying the 400 kanji in the two Jordon writing books cover the 284 that are on the JLPT 3 test? Anyone have experience e with this and know? I would assume that they do, but the Jordon method is screwy and I don't trust it.
The Encouragement Thread - Ji_suss - 2008-09-21
Closing in on 600...did a big review after 500 to make it all stick, then a three day break before resuming.
BTW This thread is really helpful, especially when you look back to page one of the thread and then flash forward to this page and see people have finished the whole set. Thanks for the inspiration.
The Encouragement Thread - kazelee - 2008-09-22
canji Wrote:I hope you don't leave this thread because you are one positive dude (dudette) and a big help.Never!
I love this site!!
Also... once I clear all the 2042, I'm going to tackle the rest!!!
This stuff is exciting and addictive. @_@
Quote:So my point is that this is encouraging that the cards that l made it to the 3 and 4 reviews piles have stuck with me even if I had been ignoring them. The system seems to be working.Awesome. This is how I felt after I gave it up the first time... Most of it just stuck even with a couple of months of neglect...
This is an awesome discovery and I can see it will motivate you the same. Keep it up Canji.
Ji_suss Wrote:Closing in on 600...did a big review after 500 to make it all stick, then a three day break before resuming.That's around the number I first discovered this site. Have you been using this site the whole time?
LOL i just got your name
