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The Encouragement Thread - cjswanson1355 - 2008-08-17
Been doing this hardcore for a couple weeks now...at 1394.
This is getting rough...must endure...
The Encouragement Thread - hagaren199 - 2008-08-17
I decided to start slowing down yesterday. I realize that learning the 100 kanji a day isn't the hard part, it is the piling up of reviews every single day. I still did around 480 review cards this morning and I did only 50 new kanji yesterday. The major reason for this though, is that I still have work to do before term starts and I know I won't have the time necessary to maintain the daunting task of gigantic reviews every day. I feel kind of bummed out that I didn't start doing this sooner in the summer, but oh well it's passed already. Time to do 20 or so a day to let the reviews thin down to 100-200.
Currently on frame 950. Got to keep progressing even with other work to be done, even if it's not much.
The Encouragement Thread - kazelee - 2008-08-19
That's okay, take what you chew at the moment. What's important is that you finish. No...That we all finish!
I'm debating whether or not I slow down as circumstances have changed. If I do 100 a day I could knock this out by the end of the week. But, that would be insane. And oh the review @_@. It's strange how I thought doing 25 a day was hard at first. I think I'll go back to this once I hit 2042, or maybe even slower.
1575+3
The Encouragement Thread - alyks - 2008-08-19
Jeez, I remember being at 1575. Insane. It took me forever to move on. So you better move it!
The Encouragement Thread - sfekas - 2008-08-20
I upped my pace significantly in the last 500, but I'm not sure I'd really recommend it. It was nice to "finish", but there's no question that I didn't learn that last set as well. I've made up for it with the reviews, but it might have been better to stay with a steady pace.
The important thing is that once you pass 1500, the end really is in sight. Just keep doing what you've been doing and it'll all work out.
I'm also a lot happier now that my reviews are down to a "mere" 150 a day.
The Encouragement Thread - kitten - 2008-08-20
Here we go, I arrived at the end of lesson 10 (number 234). I feel discouraged to follow the book's advice of reviewing all the kanji from the very beginning... Did all of you do that or maybe this site and its reviewing method can be seen as if we did the whole review already ?
The Encouragement Thread - hagaren199 - 2008-08-20
kitten Wrote:Here we go, I arrived at the end of lesson 10 (number 234). I feel discouraged to follow the book's advice of reviewing all the kanji from the very beginning... Did all of you do that or maybe this site and its reviewing method can be seen as if we did the whole review already ?I more or less ignored Heisig's messages to review since I was doing SRS reps in Anki. Don't worry, the daily SRS reviews definitely compensate for just a single round of reviews in one session, so just keep going.
The Encouragement Thread - Shirow66 - 2008-08-20
Personally I wouldn't recommend anyone learning more than 40-50 kanji per day unless you have some kind of exceptional memorization skills. Sure, you can add 100 or whatever kanji to your SRS, but did you actually bother to learn the characters before you add them? That's the hardest part for me. I have problems even with 30-40 characters, I can't even imagine people trying 100/day.
The Encouragement Thread - kazelee - 2008-08-20
Shirow66 Wrote:Personally I wouldn't recommend anyone learning more than 40-50 kanji per day unless you have some kind of exceptional memorization skills. Sure, you can add 100 or whatever kanji to your SRS, but did you actually bother to learn the characters before you add them? That's the hardest part for me. I have problems even with 30-40 characters, I can't even imagine people trying 100/day.Hmmmmm 8)
I think what matters the most in how many kanji you add is repetition. If you add 100 from 5 different chapters, then remembering is going to be pretty difficult. However, if there are a lot of repeats within the group (of say 1 or 2 chapters), you will ace many more.
This grouping also creates a problem as well. I sometimes get engrossed in searching within the group that I let the easy stuff slip by. It's only happened twice, with street (call it a nail too much) and tears (confused with cry), though. I'm thankful for anki as now street and tear are going to be burned in my mind forever.
Alyks:
I was just thinking I should hurry and finish. If I do 100 a day I can be done stupid fast. But then I woke up to a 176 card review, with 100 new cards (276) @_@. The reviews aren't that hard. It's the new cards that drive you crazy, and take the most time. I think I'll settle at 50-75.
Oh yeah, I took a look at a page with all the kanji listed by grade to psyche myself up. I almost felt like I was one of those anime characters who experience astronomical growth whilst crushing the pride of those who've studied a lifetime. It sounds nerdy, I know (and there are some who would put my progress to shame), but I'm excited by learning, and even more so, by doing it at a freakish pace.
no new additions (just finished review)
The Encouragement Thread - plumage - 2008-08-21
Just passed the 500-card mark, finally. I started this March--I won't outline the crap that's slowed me down, but the last couple of months I've picked up the pace quite a lot.
Furthermore, I intend to finish RtK1 by the end of the year. It'll be easier after I finish training for my marathon :-)
Go me!
The Encouragement Thread - kazelee - 2008-08-21
HAHA marathon man...or woman...
I ran for 10 minutes 2 days ago and I'm still tired. Been out of the athletic rhythm for far to long.
Yes! I added 25 cards today. Slowed down cuz of the fatigue from the above stated (該）. I normally blow through the review. I have yet to clear all the cards today. Gonna run again tomorrow. Hopefully, I can go a bit longer.
I am at 1600.
The Encouragement Thread - canji - 2008-08-21
I made it to 330 when my laptop ran out of po
The Encouragement Thread - kazelee - 2008-08-22
Wow that sux. I'm in Florida and there are frequent power outages so I have begun to save in an almost paranoid manner while using ANKI.
Wait did I say almost.
The Encouragement Thread - kitten - 2008-08-22
300 ! I've started mixing up some kanji... and mixing up primitive meanings with the real keywords. I think I need a break... Nice to see that you are already at 1000 and more ! It gives courage to keep studying ! Congratulations to you !
The Encouragement Thread - kazelee - 2008-08-22
You're almost over the hardest parts. Keep it going. Between 300-500 seems to be where some crack. But once you go beyond, it's just smooth sailing.
1650!
The Encouragement Thread - alyks - 2008-08-22
kazelee Wrote:But once you go beyond, it's just smooth sailing.In a tornado.
The Encouragement Thread - Silmara - 2008-08-22
kazelee Wrote:Yepp, definetly those damn 300-500 almost break my neck. But I am still fighting and kicking...
You're almost over the hardest parts. Keep it going. Between 300-500 seems to be where some crack.
1650!
And I can see light at the end of the tunnel - even if its those from the "please congratulate me thread" with their damn flashlights
... I appreciate it
The Encouragement Thread - snispilbor - 2008-08-22
Having just gotten back from Japan, where I totally neglected SRS for a month, my numbers are at 4285 scheduled, 319 failed/new, and 8924 total. That's with sentences though, not just kanji (I do my kanji review alongside my sentences in Mnemosyne).
There is one good thing out of this though. In Mnemosyne, when you rate a card, its next appearance is based on how long TOTAL from the last appearance, not the *previously scheduled* time. So if a card is *scheduled* to appear in 10 days, but you neglect it for 20 days, then rate that the interval was good, its next appearance will be based on the 20 days, not the 10, so itll probably appear again in like 30 days or something. The point being, when I do slog through those 4285 scheduled, I'll suddenly have a lot of breathing room since anything that doesnt get failed will have as much as an extra month of "neglect time" tacked on.
That said, I'm switching to only reviewing 100 cards a day, instead of trying to empty the scheduled pile. I'd found I was starting to let the SRS become a means in itself, which isn't supposed to be. I was giving it priority over actually using Japanese. With the way spacing works, if you choose any positive number of cards-per-day (even just 1 card per day, theoretically...), EVENTUALLY you'll empty your schedule pile. Right now, Mnemosyne is adding around 80 new scheduled cards a day. Assuming that stays fixed (which is erring on the side of caution, since in truth it'll continue declining), that means about 20 cleared cards a day, which would take about 215 days to clear. In truth itll take much less since the new-scheduled-cards-per-day will continue shrinking.
The Encouragement Thread - alyks - 2008-08-22
I couldn't stand doing that and not adding cards. What I do is use an anki plugin to let me mix new cards in with old cards. Very helpful and motivating to study.
Of course, considering your level of Japanese, you wouldn't need to add more to it. You could get by with lots of exposure.
Here's a question, why did you choose mnemosyne over anki/supermemo? Just curious.
The Encouragement Thread - canji - 2008-08-23
340
I like using coach (or Coach Bill Self) for taskmaster. Anyone see a reason not to?
The Encouragement Thread - kazelee - 2008-08-23
Go with it.
I used Kagato, or just taskmaster. Whatever has meaning to you will do the trick!!
The Encouragement Thread - snispilbor - 2008-08-23
alyks Wrote:Here's a question, why did you choose mnemosyne over anki/supermemo? Just curious.Didn't know about Anki when I started. See, I got into SRS long before finding either RevTK *or* AJATT. As a matter of fact, I initially used old fashioned paper flashcards, and had quite an impressive pile of those. But I quickly realized that wouldn't work permanently. So I went to google and started searching for flashcard programs, dimly aware that there must be some better way. So I found Mnemosyne that way, without any guidance from Japanese-specific sources. By the time I learned about Anki, I already had a pretty big Mnemosyne deck.
The Encouragement Thread - alyks - 2008-08-23
You can import mnemosyne files into anki, but I guess they're all about the same effectiveness. I personally couldn't do without the automatic kana generation and the tag organization.
The Encouragement Thread - canji - 2008-08-24
three fiddy
I had taken a little break from typing in stories but have returned to it since I think it better helps me formulate the image and better helps me remember the story.
But more important I realized it is better to share than to only read seeing as that is how we can help each other get through.
Copying is not really the way (for me) unless it is a crystal clear image perfectly described, but it is great to find suggestions of images that can be morphed into something personalized.
Here I am talking like a pro at #350.
The Encouragement Thread - snispilbor - 2008-08-24
canji Wrote:Here I am talking like a pro at #350.Most accredited universities in the U.S. think 350 kanji is pro... or at least 4-year-degree worthy
