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シ and ツ, ン and ソ - snispilbor - 2008-05-24
Any tips on how to write シ and ツ, ン and ソ by hand so that they're clearly distinct? I've been having a lot of trouble, going to write one and it ends up looking like the other, despite that I'm using the correct stroke order with the correct stroke directions.
シ and ツ, ン and ソ - Hashiriya - 2008-05-24
シ - the 2 marks are sideways
ツ - the 2 marks are more downward
ン - the one mark is near the top
ソ - the one mark is near the middle
does that help? O_o
シ and ツ, ン and ソ - phauna - 2008-05-24
Yes, but which sound does each of those have?
シ and ツ, ン and ソ - Hashiriya - 2008-05-24
シ - shi is sideways
ツ - tsu is downward
ン - n is near the top
ソ - so is in the middle
if you make some stories like the Heisig ones for each direction you can remember them easy...
シ and ツ, ン and ソ - phauna - 2008-05-24
Pony up, then. If I could think of some good stories then I wouldn't have to guess every second katakana word like I do now.
シ and ツ, ン and ソ - Hashiriya - 2008-05-24
シ -shi (she) lays down sideways... are those 2 breasts?
ツ -the TSUnami crashes downward... see the 2 drops of water?
ン- the n is (N)ear the top...
ソ- when you say something is SO-SO it's not good or bad but in the Middle...
n00bs lawlz
シ and ツ, ン and ソ - zz_alex_zz - 2008-05-24
ソ (so) is somewhere between ン and リ. The stroke directions for ソ are the same as リ too. Maybe you could remember ソ as "ソリ" (SoRi -> Sorry).
I'll have a think about a way to remember シ & ツ... I think everyone gets them mixed up to begin with, but with time I just picked it up due to repetition.
シ and ツ, ン and ソ - phauna - 2008-05-24
The only thing I have to add to this thread is what the hell were the Japanese thinking? Actually thank goodness they didn't just invent yet another alphabet just to cover these four sounds.
シ and ツ, ン and ソ - Katsuo - 2008-05-24
snispilbor Wrote:Any tips on how to write シ and ツ, ン and ソ by hand so that they're clearly distinct?Emphasize the "blob" at the start of the long strokes.
phauna Wrote:Yes, but which sound does each of those have?For remembering which is which, think of the word 損失 (sonshitsu) meaning "a loss".
In katakana it would be ソンシツ.
Now just write it 300 times. OR, notice how it's in order of stroke count (2's then 3's). Also note that the outside characters are the ones where the short strokes are more vertical, a bit like apostrophes.
シ and ツ, ン and ソ - Paludis - 2008-05-24
the way I was taught, is that for シ and ン all the strokes should line up at the left side, and for ツ and ソ all the strokes should line up at the top. Also you draw the long stroke in a different direction, for シ and ン the long stroke goes up, whereas for ツ and ソ the long stroke goes down.
シ and ツ, ン and ソ - wccrawford - 2008-05-24
I just want to say thanks to everyone in this thread for the great tips!
シ and ツ, ン and ソ - Raichu - 2008-05-24
I used to get [kana]MA[/kana] and [kana]MU[/kana] mixed up too.
I sorta agree with phauna about what they were thinking, but if you think about the roman character set, p b q d are pretty similar, not to mention r n h which my kid seems to draw too similar.
シ and ツ, ン and ソ - phauna - 2008-05-24
Seriously, pbdq, not even close to as confusing as these. It's mainly due to brush strokes being quite obvious as to where they begin and end, computer fonts not so much.
シ and ツ, ン and ソ - Zarxrax - 2008-05-24
The stroke order with these is really important. "shi" or "n" have the long stroke drawn left to right. If you look closely at the font, you can see that on these two, the horizontal stroke is wider and less tall than the stroke in "tsu" or "so". When you write it by hand, be sure to exaggerate this a bit, by making your characters flatter or skinnier depending on which ones you write. Don't overdo it, but you shouldn't have any trouble recognizing your own writing after that. I still have trouble recognizing which is which when I'm reading text sometimes, so I'll just try them both in my mind and see which one sounds better :p
シ and ツ, ン and ソ - yukamina - 2008-05-24
When my teacher taught us シand ツ, she wrote シ(shi) with a bit of a hook at the bottom, like a check mark. ツ(tsu) has the hook starting at the top, facing inwards. ソ(so) at the top, ン(n) at the bottom. In other fonts you can see the hooks...like in something printed on paper.Also, note how tsu's long line is more vertical and closer to the two drops compared to shi.
シ and ツ, ン and ソ - nortalf - 2008-05-24
Raichu, it's easy:
マ is like an A slanted right a little,
ム is like a U slanted right a little.
シ and ツ, ン and ソ - DrJones - 2008-05-24
Try to draw シ over a し, and ツ over a つ.
シ and ツ, ン and ソ - cerulean - 2008-05-24
I write them with sort of an arc in the dots. Try to imagine tiny circles where the arcs lay.
for シ, the arcs are being drawn clockwise..
for ツ, the arcs are being drawn counter-clockwise..
ン clockwise
ソ counter-clockwise
It make not be completely correct, but it's recognizable, and easy for me to remember this way.
Also, I imagine ツ (tsu) to be someone looking down at their shoes. tsu - shoe .. Heh, silly I know.