How long until the forget storm hits me?

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How long until the forget storm hits me? - WillW - 2008-05-22

I have only recently started, but I feel the start was pretty easy. I did one chapter in his book, a day. With only one error. Leaving me at 32 in two days. How many more chapters until I need to start reviewing much more, just wondering when it started happening for other people.

How long until the forget storm hits me? - danieldesu - 2008-05-22

I don't think I missed more than a few before I got to about 500 (but I zipped through those in a week... they were probably still in my short term memory), then it started going downhill from there. There where some sections later on where I would get 60% the next day, but that might have just been brain burnout, not necessarily hard kanji (it was probably a combination of both).

How long until the forget storm hits me? - Raichu - 2008-05-22

I recommend you use the Reviewing part of the site as it's intended to be use. In other words, visit every day or two, add any new kanji you've learnt, and review the kanji that it asks you.

The time period between each time it asks you the same kanji is designed to help you learn it effectively. It's not a good idea to press the green boxes because reviewing them too early or too often can actually prevent you from memorizing them.

So the idea is to review "smart", not "more". I hope this answers your question.

How long until the forget storm hits me? - Hashiriya - 2008-05-22

to me it's all about the same until you hit the end of the 2nd book and 3rd book... i did almost 2500 kanji in about 2-3 months on my own before i started really using this website and its SMS... i'm definately retaining a LOT more with the SMS this time around... the user created stories are really helping me out... if you are doing well remembering them maybe you might consider doing 30 a day versus every 2 days... i do about 50 or so a day myself on the on the days i'm off work and then i just do maybe 25 or so on the days i do work... i'm lucky that i only work 24hours a week so i'm expecting to hit about 500 kanji a week... like i said though... i've been through the book before... anyways good-luck ^_^

Edit: yeh i really do LIVE on my computer LOL i stay about 8hrs a day at least on it...

How long until the forget storm hits me? - phauna - 2008-05-22

I would say go hard. Forgetting is not a problem. If you've seen a kanji before but have forgotten it, you can easily remember it again. If you've never seen a certain kanji before, well that is worse. Every new kanji you look at you will never be able to forget in the long run, because it will just keep coming up, in your SRS, and in your private reading.

You can't remember things you haven't learnt. Remembering 90% of 2042 kanji beats knowing a few hundred well.

How long until the forget storm hits me? - Hashiriya - 2008-05-22

good point phauna... and also remember when you go to apply these kanji to vocabulary it will be like a form of review in itself as you will see the 2 or more kanji being put together... see a big word like 小石川後楽園 and you just reviewed 6 kanji in one hit ^_^

edit: that's a park name btw... こいしかわこうらくえん

How long until the forget storm hits me? - cerulean - 2008-05-23

Raichu Wrote:I recommend you use the Reviewing part of the site as it's intended to be use. In other words, visit every day or two, add any new kanji you've learnt, and review the kanji that it asks you.

The time period between each time it asks you the same kanji is designed to help you learn it effectively. It's not a good idea to press the green boxes because reviewing them too early or too often can actually prevent you from memorizing them.

So the idea is to review "smart", not "more". I hope this answers your question.

I just started recently and have only 70 kanji down. When do different colored boxes start showing up? I've been doing a full review each day.

How long until the forget storm hits me? - snispilbor - 2008-05-23

Going further, you'll eventually hit pairs of nearly synonymous keywords, and previously-remembered kanji may suddenly become "unremembered" just because your story wasn't specific enough for the word. I've struggled alot for example with "license" vs. "permit".

(Here's how I got around that. My "license" story was myself walking around town on just my elbows, and an angry cop going, "do you have a license for that??" Then I started confusing it with "permit", so I added to the story: now I'm walking around on my elbows because the ground's covered in lye and I don't want to burn my feet)

Some other bad sets are "every"/"all"/"each", "peach"/"pear" (hint: Princess Peach), "benevolence"/"righteousness", "pining"/"mourning"/"afflicted", "secret"/"secrecy", and so on.

That's minor though cuz those pairs are the exception, not the rule. Besides that, once I learned a kanji I never really "forgot" it, just a lot of times I'll be stumped, then when I flip the card I get an "ohhh yeah duh" moment. You'd have to go a long time to really absolutely forget a kanji.

How long until the forget storm hits me? - Raichu - 2008-05-23

Yeah synonyms is a real problem for me. I already knew several hundred kanji before I started RTK and the meaning I associated with them is sometimes Heisig's keyword for a different kanji.

The other thing is that I prefer to learn kanji by their real meaning where possible. That means that while I know both "secret" and "secrecy", I don't know which one is which. Perhaps it doesn't matter as far as learning those kanji, but it does interfere when they're used as components of other kanji. I know "every", "each" and "all", but I have trouble distinguishing "every" and "each" when they occur as part of another character.

How long until the forget storm hits me? - Savara - 2008-05-23

Lately I've been having some trouble remembering which keyword goes with the kanji. So I'll write down some other kanji, and get pretty annoyed if that happens too often in a review. I'm cheating a bit, just go over the story a few times in my head and still click learned. I realise the same problems will come up... But I know the concept behind the kanji and I know how to write them, is the keyword really a problem then? ... I'm getting annoyed with this, ugh.

How long until the forget storm hits me? - Hashiriya - 2008-05-23

you guys are stressing too much i think >_< after you go through Rtk 1 & 3 all you gotta do is just learn the kanji with some vocabulary and then put the vocabulary in sentences and then it will all just kinda comes naturally afterawhile... if you forgot which kanji is which when you align them to the vocabulary all you gotta do is just hit the enter-key with rikaichan and look up the kanji via kanji.koohii.com 's study section and review the stories... the key here is to study your vocabulary on the internet where rikaichan can be used and then once you learn some words then you should be able to read them in real books and enforce them more that way...

How long until the forget storm hits me? - Sarius24 - 2008-05-23

I don't want to make a new post so don't mind me here; I finally got my RTK in the mail today, when it sliped out of Amazon box I was shocked to see how thick it is.

Going on subject now; don't worry bout remembering hard kanji eventually you'll remember them naturally.

How long until the forget storm hits me? - Magnadoodle - 2008-05-24

I guess there's no single point in time at which you will start forgetting. But I would say, just go as fast as you can in the beginning until you start getting confused. But don't rush it so much that you make up bad stories.

Synonyms/similar keywords are indeed the number one problem with RTK. It would be a great thing if someone made a list of all the similar keywords. Then learners could make a story that differentiates between the two keywords right from the start.

Another related thing that would be very useful would be to specify the intended meaning of all those ambiguous keywords. I believe that doing those two things (and integrating them into this website) would be a big step forward for the Heisig method.

Someone who is doing RTK right now could do this pretty easily. It would be useful for their own learning anyway. Just a suggestion anyhow.

How long until the forget storm hits me? - rich_f - 2008-05-24

There was a thread about this a while back, and I came to the conclusion that everyone has keywords that are confusing to them, but not necessarily to others. I'd say it's something you should probably track yourself, just to avoid needless confusion.

How long until the forget storm hits me? - Savara - 2008-05-24

I have to say I usually don't confuse keywords that go with a warning, in the book "Don't confuse with keyword X!" or in the stories on the site ("Be careful not to confuse with... X"). I only seem to confuse other kanji... which don't get a warning Wink

I guess because just the warning makes my mind more alert, or something.

For some kanji, I don't even understand *why* I confuse them, or how I could confuse them, but I do...

How long until the forget storm hits me? - Magnadoodle - 2008-05-24

Ok, maybe it's a personal thing, but we could provide a list of potentially confusing keywords for every kanji so that you can at least look through it and see if it will be confusing for you.

How long until the forget storm hits me? - pm215 - 2008-05-24

cerulean Wrote:When do different colored boxes start showing up? I've been doing a full review each day.

If you keep reviewing *everything* every day then the cards will never expire. So don't do that, it's missing the point ;-) Just do the ones you've just added (blue) and the expired ones (orange); ignore the green stacks (except for watching them get bigger and move to the right).