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Long-time Supermemo User - Questions? - suffah - 2008-04-23
In the great sample you provided in this thread, you said you pulled multiple examples to clarify the multiple meanings of words. Would you mind sharing where are you getting these sample sentences? I'm always looking for new sentence sources.
Long-time Supermemo User - Questions? - LittleFishChan - 2008-04-23
As far as the idioms go, I copied them from the aforementioned Idiom book. I have also pulled together other examples from sample sentences in various books. If it was a "normal" word I would download it from the "Examples" section from the entires in the online dictionary: "wwwjdic."
Long-time Supermemo User - Questions? - suffah - 2008-04-23
Haha, oh man, I don't think you understand the can of worms you've opened with EDICT.
Anyways, thanks, I will check that idiom book out, it looks pretty useful.
Long-time Supermemo User - Questions? - LittleFishChan - 2008-04-23
What's wrong with the EDICT example sentences?
(And if I can't find example sentences on there, Google is your best friend)
Long-time Supermemo User - Questions? - Zarxrax - 2008-04-23
Some of the example sentences on edict are known for being... less than accurate Japanese.
Long-time Supermemo User - Questions? - LittleFishChan - 2008-04-23
Really? I wasn't aware of that. Do you know what percentage of the example sentences are inaccurate?
Long-time Supermemo User - Questions? - Zarxrax - 2008-04-23
I think most of them are probably fine, but you never know (if you don't understand them that well to begin with), so it could be a little dangerous to use. I think most of the sentences are probably fairly accurate though, but I'm no means an expert.
Long-time Supermemo User - Questions? - suffah - 2008-04-23
Check this thread out:
http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=1331
Long-time Supermemo User - Questions? - LittleFishChan - 2008-04-23
Huh, that's weird. Thanks for telling me that, I'll use Google more from now on. Anyways, the point is 'using whole sentences makes it easier to use words naturally.'
Long-time Supermemo User - Questions? - wrightak - 2008-04-23
The information on the tanaka corpus is on the wwwjdic site itself. I'd pay particular attention to the "Warning to users" section on this page:
http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/tanakacorpus.html
The point is that it's impossible to know whether the English or Japanese half of the example sentence pair came first. You do not want to learn Japanese sentences that are translations of an English sentence.
As for using Google, I'd be careful about that too. In my experience, it's difficult to find something that you know is natural and appropriate.
I completely agree with your attitude to learning words in context. The best source is something off the internet (conversation, books, radio, films etc.) but when that isn't possible, I use Kenkyusha's dictionary. Not perfect but probably the best guarantee of quality that you can get.
Long-time Supermemo User - Questions? - rich_f - 2008-04-24
Do we have a sticky somewhere that has all of the "good" online dictionaries listed?
For starters:
http://www.excite.co.jp/
excite uses Kenkyusha, but this is free. (Kenkyusha charges for its own dictionary service.)
http://www.sanseido.net/
Sanseido. JP->JP, darn fine dictionary. Also free. Free is good.
Long-time Supermemo User - Questions? - laner36 - 2008-04-24
watashimo Wrote:I love the "incremental reading" feature. that alone is reason enough for me to use Supermemo. I've quite a few Japanese articles and texts queued for incremental reading. Essays, blog entries or Tae Kim's blog. Japanese texts that I haven't read in awhile are scheduled by Supermemo for future reviews (I don't use everything for sentence mining, SM just reminds me that there are texts that I've read or wanted to read. Or had planned to use for sentence mining.) Tae Kim's blog entries are used to study grammar.This incremental reading sounds fascinating. I don't quite understand how it works though. Say you were reading Tae Kim's blog, for example. How would this work in supermemo incremental reading??
It sounds like you would read it until you are bored, and then in a couple days it would be qued up to be read some more. Then you pull out questions to make sure you are absorbing the information. Is this right?
**off topic**
Katsuo Wrote:I asked around at the high school I work at, and the Japanese teacher was familiar with it, but a couple other teachers and students I asked hadn't heard of it before either. I still find it interesting though. Soft spot for proverbs I suppose...laner36 Wrote:By the way, what is the reading of 蟻の一穴?ありのいっけつ。
Long-time Supermemo User - Questions? - LittleFishChan - 2008-04-24
Your description of incremental reading is spot on. Read something until you're bored, but as you're reading (and let's say a pretty lengthy entry on something) if you find a paragraph that contains something interesting, you "extract" that paragraph into a smaller portion, an entry in supermemo with JUST that one paragraph. That portion is treated separately than the article itself, and it (the extract, that is) will show up again, likely the next day. When you see the smaller extract you can choose to either extract further (For individual points you want to remember) or you can make the extract into a flashcard using "cloze deletion" (A sentence with a word or group of words left blank. You must guess that blank spot). The point is when you read an article using incremental reading, you read it for long enough to hold your attention, and as you read, extract, etc., you make more progress towards turning that material into flashcards containing the basic and most important information that you, in turn remember. I haven't quite got the hang of using incremental reading yet, I've tried using it at different times. I love it in theory, though.