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Feature request: When I review the learned deck, failed ones should be cleared out - Yuta73 - 2016-05-13
I've countless of times ended up with many several hundred (or thousands) of cards to review.
Going back to normal is a slow process but if you're constant at it, you eventually achieve it. Of course you can't possible review them all at once.
My approach is to have always between 20~30 learned cards by the end of the day. The following morning I first review my due cards and after my learned ones (with the Review Learned in the study area).
Here something very annoying happens, because after finished reviewing the learned deck, and before starting to relearn my failed kanjis, I have to press the red "Clear" link next to "Review Learned" button.
Only after this, I can start now to study the failed kanjis from both, Due deck and Learned deck. I continue relearning until I reach my target of 20~30 learned cards again.
If I don't Clear the failed kanjis before, I don't see them in the study area ready to relearn them again!. There are other issues, for example If I exit the Review Learned area and later go back, the failed cards appear yet again.
IMHO the expected behaviour, when you review the learned deck, is that failed kanjis should be cleared out of it's "Learned" condition.
It looks natural to me that if I review a Learned card and I Fail it, I'll have to learn it again!.
I suffered this issue so many times, that I finally decided to request and improvement if possible.
RE: Feature request: When I review the learned deck, failed ones should be cleared out - fuaburisu - 2016-05-13
Yuta73 Wrote:IMHO the expected behaviour, when you review the learned deck, is that failed kanjis should be cleared out of it's "Learned" condition.
Well it is confusing I agree that a failed card does not appear in the list in the sidebar, while it is also in the "Relearn" pile.
On the other hand, I think it makes sense for failed reviews to stay there. The idea is you can click again "Review". Some people like to review multiple passes. If you don't want to review the "learned" pile more than once, then you can Clear it, to go through the "learn" step again.
If I understand well a fix would be to simply show failed cards in the sidebar , regardless if they are currently in the learn pile. However clearing all reviewed (pass or fail) kanji from the learned pile would remove the flexibility for users who want to review the learned pile again.
RE: Feature request: When I review the learned deck, failed ones should be cleared out - Yuta73 - 2016-05-13
(2016-05-13, 3:03 pm)fuaburisu Wrote:Quote:If I understand well a fix would be to simply show failed cards in the sidebar , regardless if they are currently in the learn pile. However clearing all reviewed (pass or fail) kanji from the learned pile would remove the flexibility for users who want to review the learned pile again.
Oh!. The fix you suggest is perfect!. If failed cards show up on the sidebar, is good enough.
I don't care if they are kept in the learned pile. That way, current behaviour for users who make multiple reviews of the learned pile won't be changed! (I don't understand why they do it, anyways. It feels like cheating to my mind, unless they're new cards).
Please, everybody, post support for this if you like the idea. This would be wonderful!.
RE: Feature request: When I review the learned deck, failed ones should be cleared out - fuaburisu - 2016-05-14
Oh, now I remember why it works that way.
The summary in the sidebar is designed to give you the next 10 failed kanji you might want to study, in index order.
Whenever you "learn" a kanji, it will automatically skip to the next one in the list. In order to show the ones coming after, naturally it removest he "learned" character from that list while it sits in the learned pile. When you clear that pile, the learned characters appear again in the list.
So in other words the summary list pruposely shows the next 10 failed and unlearned characters.
Short of rethinking the whole process I'm not sure what simple solution to do.
What is the problem with clearing the list though? You're saying "ok I'm not interested in review these I just failed (the remaining learned but failed reviews) so I'll clear it to work on those again".
A workaround for the behaviour you prefer would be to open the "Detailed list" in a tab (middle click / shift click), and then use that list instead, which includes all failed cards. If you're comfortable working with tabs it's fairly efficient as you don't need to go "back", just open study page in tab, close it, repeat from another link in the list.
Quote:If I exit the Review Learned area and later go back, the failed cards appear yet again.
This should not happen if you click the "End" button. If you exit the page without ending the review then yeah you can miss approx. 5 cards, because the server exhcanges data with the Review page every 10 cards or so. Normally if you hit "back" on the browser or "forward" or load another page or close the tab an alert box should remind you about it.
RE: Feature request: When I review the learned deck, failed ones should be cleared out - Yuta73 - 2016-05-16
Now that I learned that Learned cards are still in the Failed pile, I see no chance of implementing your suggested behaviour without adding an additional attribute to each card (something along the lines of LearnedButFailedAgain).
Which sends me back to my original question. If I review a Learned card and Fail it, shouldn't I have it on the study pile again?. Of course that clearing the Learned attribute will do the job, but you said some people like to review the learned pile several times.
It is still no clear to me what's the point to review the Learned pile again without first studying those just failed cards. I mean, if you failed is because the story has to be relarned or improved. But I respect the rights of those people who like it otherwise.
Do you think we might have it like an option?. Along the lines of "Always mark failed cards as unlearned".
PS: The workaround proved to be way too slow.
PS2: I always use the "Exit" button, but it doesn't work in this case. As the failed cards are kept in the Learned pile, next time I press the Review Learned button they'll show up again. This time I might remember some the failed ones, but only because of my short term memory.
RE: Feature request: When I review the learned deck, failed ones should be cleared out - fuaburisu - 2016-05-17
I agree with you that removing all cards from learned pile (whether they pass or fail, then), could be a better default.
That said it's not motivating for me to make changes that have no clear before / after outcome. To me this is a very small change in the default, which in that case I'd rather leave as is so as not to disturb existing users. It's a cost vs benefit decision personally I don't see the point.
Specifically, I don't understand how cumbersome it is to just click "Clear", before working on your failed cards again?
If you click "clear" after you are done reviewing the learned pile, the learned pile is cleared. Now you can study those again. And if you review the learned pile, it won't carry any cards from the previous test since it was cleared.
Maybe I missed something still .. in which case you may have to describe a step by step scenario in which case the "clear" link doesn't work.