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'no' particle, noob questions - Arino - 2016-01-24

Two very easy questions:

1 - I want to reply "NEC's Computer" as in "a computer manufactured/made by NEC", is it ok to do use the 'no' particle to indicate that?

A:　これは、なんですか。
B:　NECのパソコンです。

2 - If I'm talking about some noun that was already mentioned in the conversation, is it valid to follow up with the particle+main noun (bold part) omitted in this example?

A: これわ、どこのかさですか。
B: それわ、日本のかさです。
A: だれのかさですか。
B: 私のかさです。

RE: 'no' particle, noob questions - RandomQuotes - 2016-01-24

1. Yes, it's ok to use の in that fashion.  

2. 
A: これわは、どこのかさですか。
B: それわは、日本のかさです。
A: だれのかさですか。
B: 私のかさです。

Yes, this conversation could also go as:
A: これは、どこのかさですか。
B: それは、日本のかさです。
A: だれのですか。
B: 私のです。

RE: 'no' particle, noob questions - Arino - 2016-01-24

It's easy to forget you have to type "ha" for Microsoft IME even though you read it as "wa"... Tongue

Thanks, just to make sure I understood you, you can do both:


A: だれのですか。
B: 私のです。

and

A: だれですか。
B: 私です。

right? Thanks again!

RE: 'no' particle, noob questions - sholum - 2016-01-24

For the second part, let me emphasize from RandomQuotes' post that の was left in the sentences.

RandomQuotes Wrote:A: だれのですか。
B: 私のです。

Think of it kind of like saying "Who's is it?" instead of "Who's <thing> is it?"; you don't leave out the possessive bit, just the part that's known.

RE: 'no' particle, noob questions - Arino - 2016-01-24

Got it now, thanks RandomQuotes and sholum for the help.

RE: 'no' particle, noob questions - anotherjohn - 2016-01-24

Apropos of nothing I'll just leave this here Angel
http://www.bristol.ac.uk/arts/exercises/grammar/grammar_tutorial/page_57.htm

RE: 'no' particle, noob questions - john555 - 2016-01-24

(2016-01-24, 6:25 am)anotherjohn Wrote: Apropos of nothing I'll just leave this here Angel
http://www.bristol.ac.uk/arts/exercises/grammar/grammar_tutorial/page_57.htm

Here's john555's way of putting it:

"Whose" is the genitive of "who"

"Who's" is a contraction of either "who is" or "who has".

RE: 'no' particle, noob questions - Arino - 2016-01-24

(2016-01-24, 6:59 am)john555 Wrote:
(2016-01-24, 6:25 am)anotherjohn Wrote: Apropos of nothing I'll just leave this here Angel
http://www.bristol.ac.uk/arts/exercises/grammar/grammar_tutorial/page_57.htm

Here's john555's way of putting it:

"Whose" is the genitive of "who"

"Who's" is a contraction of either "who is" or "who has".

Aside from the slightly "AHAHA YOU'RE DUMB" tone thanks anotherjohn, and thanks john555. I'm not a native speaker of english but I really have no excuse to not know the difference between whose and who's. Nice hint.

Anyway, think I got it now:
だれですか。 Who is it?
だれのですか。Whose is it?
それは、だれのパソコンですか。 Whose computer is that one?
私のです。It is mine.

Thanks everyone.

RE: 'no' particle, noob questions - SomeCallMeChris - 2016-01-24

(2016-01-24, 12:14 pm)Arino Wrote: Anyway, think I got it now:
だれですか。 Who is it?
だれのですか。Whose is it?
それは、だれのパソコンですか。 Whose computer is that one?
私のです。It is mine.

Thanks everyone.

These are all correct, yes.

RE: 'no' particle, noob questions - sholum - 2016-01-24

(2016-01-24, 6:25 am)anotherjohn Wrote: Apropos of nothing I'll just leave this here Angel
http://www.bristol.ac.uk/arts/exercises/grammar/grammar_tutorial/page_57.htm

*facepalm*
My excuse: I was tired...