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RTK forgetting mature cards - Dudeist - 2016-01-19
I am getting about 10% of mature cards wrong [I am at about 1560]
I am guessing it isn't too much of a problem. Usually it is a keyword confusion or I get a detail wrong although sometimes I just blank and get that Oh yeah moment.
So am I right that I shouldn't be too confused?
RE: RTK forgetting mature cards - yogert909 - 2016-01-19
10% isn't bad in my opinion. For some reason kanji are a lot more forgettable than vocabulary for some reason.
RE: RTK forgetting mature cards - nightbreak - 2016-01-20
Lucky you..
I have "finished" rtk1 roughly one year ago and i still have a 30% mature card wrongs.
RE: RTK forgetting mature cards - tetsueda - 2016-01-20
You could try to put the kanji that it is not on the front if some keywords are troublesome (and iirc they are).
RE: RTK forgetting mature cards - Dudeist - 2016-01-20
(2016-01-20, 3:52 am)tetsueda Wrote: You could try to put the kanji that it is not on the front if some keywords are troublesome (and iirc they are).
I've been doing that more and more. Not the Kanji but the components as when I am on my cell phone it is just easier that way rather than try to find the Kanji and cut and paste without a mouse.
Like
X not Element 1 and 2
It does help a bit for at least some types of error.
RE: RTK forgetting mature cards - Dudeist - 2016-01-20
(2016-01-19, 9:12 pm)yogert909 Wrote: 10% isn't bad in my opinion. For some reason kanji are a lot more forgettable than vocabulary for some reason.
I hope so. I fear vocab a bit.
I really should put a push on and finish the thing and run a recognition deck along side it and get into Genki.
I'd hope the extra exposure from a recog deck which shouldn't take much more time and actually seeing it in vocab will help a lot.
I find that as more and more get in my skull more of the Kanji seem fragile if you will. They don't feel very solid in my head. It used to be I'd get every mature Kanji right.
I almost feel like Kelly Bundy who for every new fact she learns loses an old one to the point where she couldn't remember who got 4 touch downs in a single game for Polk High School [Al Bundy, her own father]
Yes I'm that old.
RE: RTK forgetting mature cards - john555 - 2016-01-20
What's a "mature card"?
RE: RTK forgetting mature cards - Vempele - 2016-01-20
Interval >= 21 days in Anki.
RE: RTK forgetting mature cards - nightbreak - 2016-01-20
john555, in anki, a mature card is a card that has an interval of 21 days or greater:
http://ankisrs.net/docs/manual.html
Dudeist, i would not worry if i were you, 21 day is nothing as far as "long term" memory goes (or should i say semantic memory ?). My point of view is, i ll actually have learn them, when i ll have forget about them 7 time :-)
RE: RTK forgetting mature cards - PotbellyPig - 2016-01-20
90% is pretty good. But there are mature cards and "really" mature cards that you haven't see in over a year. When you start getting those, you'll probably go below 90%. I have a vocabulary deck with 37k words or so and my mature correct rate is around 85%. I've been doing it for years so some cards even have more than a 2 yr interval.
RE: RTK forgetting mature cards - yogert909 - 2016-01-20
(2016-01-20, 3:52 am)tetsueda Wrote: You could try to put the kanji that it is not on the front if some keywords are troublesome (and iirc they are).For cards that I routinely confuse with others cards I've just hit on a method that's been working very well for me, so I'll share it here.
I've been doing rtk as recognition, so kanji on the front, keyword on the back. A week or so, I created a separate deck with just the confusing kanji and designed the card as a kind of multiple choice card. On the front, I have the keyword and below it I have every kanji that I confuse with that keyword. On the back, I have the same info plus the correct answer. I set anki's settings to only show each card to me occasionally since I feel like I just need the occasional reminder.
What is working really well about this is I have all of the confusing kanji next to each other on the front of the card so I am forced to focus on exactly on what differentiates the kanji.
If anyone feels like giving this a try, here is a list of confusing kanji and another one for confusing keywords to get you started. I'm not sure, but If you are doing rtk production like op, maybe it makes more sense to use the keywords list and test a single kanji with multiple choice keywords, but whatever works for you.
RE: RTK forgetting mature cards - Dudeist - 2016-01-20
Sometimes, if I haven't put up a hint in the keyword I'll just write out all the options of what I think it is and consider it a win if one of them is right then adjust the keyword.
I've been at it since Sept. The early cards are pretty solid although I did get test wrong because my mind latched onto exam.
I put a 2 month maximum interval as I do worry about cards going 6 months or a year without any exposure. Maybe that is a mistake but 2200 cards over 60 days is about 35 cards a day or about 15 minutes assuming some fail, at least in the long run.
RE: RTK forgetting mature cards - pm215 - 2016-01-20
Thing is, that's then 15 minutes less available for doing vocab cards or whatever else you might want to be studying. A two month maximum sounds very very short to me even if you do want a maximum interval. (Also, if you're doing other things than just studying RTK you get exposure to the kanji naturally through that too.)
RE: RTK forgetting mature cards - cophnia61 - 2016-01-21
You could put japanese words as hints, especially onyomi.
For example
し 資
so you know it's not another money related kanji because it is the one with the し onyomi ( the 次 component signals the shi onyomi).
RE: RTK forgetting mature cards - Dudeist - 2016-01-21
(2016-01-20, 5:40 pm)pm215 Wrote: Thing is, that's then 15 minutes less available for doing vocab cards or whatever else you might want to be studying. A two month maximum sounds very very short to me even if you do want a maximum interval. (Also, if you're doing other things than just studying RTK you get exposure to the kanji naturally through that too.)
True, if I worked or had a life. Time really isn't a limiting factor. I don't mind doing reviews especially if they are easy, and if they are not then I'd need them.
I'll ask about vocab in another thread but I am half thinking if I keep doing RTK production style I could probably either just do recognition or do production but without actually writing them down, just mentally doing it. I find writing them down is quite the time suck. If I rely on the RTK deck for writing I could hammer down more vocab. However that is just unformulated thoughts at this point.
1651 BTW [I was playing around and accidentally brought forward a Kanji otherwise it would have ended at the chapter at 1650 or 75% done. Huzzah!
RE: RTK forgetting mature cards - tetsueda - 2016-01-21
Visualizing might arguably better in some ways, at least you won't rely as much on "muscle memory" and whether it "looks right" or not.
RE: RTK forgetting mature cards - FlameseeK - 2016-01-26
The closer I got to the finish line, the more mature cards I began to have issues with.
At first I barely made any mistakes when it came to mature cards, but then it went down to 95-90%, which was still pretty solid... that's when I had about 1k kanji or so iirc. A couple of days ago, I think I was close to 75% accuracy, but now it's pretty much 80%.
All I'm going to say is, don't worry about it. Just keep going and start learning some actual Japanese asap once you're done with RTK, because there are tons of words to learn and readings to get used to. The best thing you can do once you're done with RTK is start actually making use of all the knowledge you've acquired so that it actually begins to make sense.