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Core 2k/6k/10k speeds? - Xavier22 - 2015-12-09
I'd like to hear some feedback from people who have started and/or completed Core 2k/6k/10k in Anki or other SRS. How fast did/are you going with new cards per day? How is that working from you? I want to hear feedback from all over the spectrum, from the very slow to very fast.
RE: Core 2k/6k/10k speeds? - ikore - 2015-12-09
I finished Core6k in about 6-9 months, although I was not always adding cards and my pacing was very different from week to week. I had already been studying Japanese for a couple years although my vocabulary was really small despite that. I spent the first couple months on Core2k. This was pretty easy since the words were very basic.
After that it started to become a lot harder for me. The next 1k took me only a month, but I was starting to lose motivation. In September 2013 I didn't even add any new cards. I was already seeing a lot of improvement in my reading from doing the Core6k deck and was set on finishing it. That's when I got the crazy idea to finish it in one month, that would mean I had to add 100 cards a day by average. Of course I wasn't able to add a 100 every day consistently, I suck too hard at doing Anki consistently. Some days I added 200, and the last day I spent my whole day on Anki-ing the final 800 cards. This really helped me long term but it's not an approach I would recommend to others as you will really start to hate yourself for doing this. I was burned out after this and didn't keep up the reviews and had a pretty big backlog to deal with in the next month.
I wrote about this before in the finished Core2k/6k/10k thread here.
RE: Core 2k/6k/10k speeds? - yogert909 - 2015-12-10
I started from scratch and could only add about 7 cards per day while reviewing one hour every day. At that rate, it took me close to a year to finish 2k. I suspect my rate was a bit below average because my memory isn't very good and I was studying kana cards without kanji. I also wasn't adding katakana cards that were based on english words because I wanted to spend time on learning completely new words, so that slowed my rate a bit too. After 2k I realized kanji was really helpful for learning vocabulary and I should just bite the bullet and finish rtk. I should finish rtk in about a month and I expect my rate to be closer to 10 per day once I restart learning vocabulary.
RE: Core 2k/6k/10k speeds? - pm215 - 2015-12-10
I just started Core10K three weeks or so ago, but the rate I'm going through is probably not going to be very helpful to you because I already know a large % of the vocab in it (I did 6K some years ago before falling off the anki review wagon). So I started at 200 a day but almost all of those I suspended immediately, since I see no point keeping words I know well in the system. As the ratio of "words I know well" to "words I'm shaky on or don't know" has changed I've dropped down to 100 a day to keep the review load bearable. Today I had something like 75 to review, 100 new and it took me a bit under 40 minutes (and I'm still suspending a fair chunk of the new cards).
Edit: I should say I'm doing these as recognition only, kanji to meaning+reading.
RE: Core 2k/6k/10k speeds? - sokino - 2015-12-10
I'm doing Core 6k at a rate of 40 new cards a day (Usually about 190 - 240 reviews a day). I started in september. I should be done around the end of January.
RE: Core 2k/6k/10k speeds? - dudeshane01 - 2015-12-11
I finished around 4000 words in less than 2 months.
I do multiple decks each day.
For Core 2k/6k/10K , you should be able to pace around 40 new cards each day.
RE: Core 2k/6k/10k speeds? - supermancampus - 2015-12-11
So is everyone here doing recognition only, production only, or a combination of both?
RE: Core 2k/6k/10k speeds? - sholum - 2015-12-11
Recognition only.
While doing 6k (the first time), my rate varied between 20, 40, 60, or 100 cards/day, depending on the amount of time I had (most of the time it was 60). I don't recommend it unless you have a lot of time for Anki reviews (I don't have the numbers, because that version of the deck doesn't exist in my collection anymore, but 300 to 400 reviews per day was normal at the faster parts).
While going back through 6k (because I left my deck alone for so long that about half the cards were due...), I went through such that I only studied 20 or 30 forgotten cards per day; since I had restarted the deck, this meant I suspended anything I remembered easily (ended up being about 58%). I usually only had about 200 reviews per day.
While going through 10k, I mostly did 20 or 30 per day; sometimes less, sometimes more. Usually only 200 reviews per day; now it's about 80.
RE: Core 2k/6k/10k speeds? - yogert909 - 2015-12-11
Recognition only here too.
Ultimately how many cards you add every day will depend on how much time you have for reviews. For an idea of how your workload will grow over time, see the chart below. It shows the growth of reviews over time with anki set on it's default settings.
RE: Core 2k/6k/10k speeds? - pm215 - 2015-12-11
Interesting how big a difference the 80 vs 90% accuracy makes to the workload.
RE: Core 2k/6k/10k speeds? - yogert909 - 2015-12-11
(2015-12-11, 6:14 pm)pm215 Wrote: Interesting how big a difference the 80 vs 90% accuracy makes to the workload.
Yea and it just gets worse from there. As you get more and more fails, you are failing those fails and failing the failed fails, etc.. Similar to the snowballing of compound interest. But paradoxically, peak efficiency happens around 75% accuracy because of the higher frequency of reviews required to attain high accuracy. If you care to read about it in more detail, you can read about it here and here.
RE: Core 2k/6k/10k speeds? - vix86 - 2015-12-11
The interesting thing about the 80% is how smooth of a logarithmic function it is after you get past the 4th major review point (around day 150). 90 and 100 are still noticeably affected by scheduling, meaning you could average 50 cards a day to review and then suddenly have 20-30 more the next. At 80%, you can reasonable guess the rate at which your reviews will increase.
Also, even at day 700, 150-200 cards is nothing. When I was doing Core6k, I was adding 70-120 new cards a day and clearing 600 cards to review, in an hour usually.
RE: Core 2k/6k/10k speeds? - Sztermel - 2015-12-12
I've been doing recognition 28 cards/ day. Adding 7 cards at one time x 4 - I read somewhere that the memory's limit of remembering things is 7 at a time so I use that number, although I think about increasing this number as it may not really apply to japanese vocabulary learning (all those on' yomi, kanji cues, easy words remembered from immersion etc, which makes it easier).
At this pace it's easy to keep up doing it with school on the other hand.
What kind of settings do you need to have to keep 75- 80% accuracy doing Core?! I'm at the moment at 220% starting ease and all the time scoring 92- 95% accuracy doing the reviews. After clearing the studying phase I do after reviews I get 97% well answered on the deck in overall for a day.
Does one use 400% starting ease to get this kind of result..
RE: Core 2k/6k/10k speeds? - ikore - 2015-12-12
(2015-12-12, 2:39 am)Sztermel Wrote: What kind of settings do you need to have to keep 75- 80% accuracy doing Core?! I'm at the moment at 220% starting ease and all the time scoring 92- 95% accuracy doing the reviews. After clearing the studying phase I do after reviews I get 97% well answered on the deck in overall for a day.
Does one use 400% starting ease to get this kind of result..
How long do you spend on a single review? It's easy to get those numbers if you fail instantly if you don't remember the word. If you give yourself 5-20 seconds per card will make it much easier to reach such high retention. I try to answer within 3-5 seconds the most, if I don't know it by then it means I don't know the word well enough. Just fail and move on. Eventually they will stick and you'll recognize the words instantly. This gives you more time to study as it allows you to review a much higher number of words in the same time.
RE: Core 2k/6k/10k speeds? - vix86 - 2015-12-12
(2015-12-12, 2:39 am)Sztermel Wrote: What kind of settings do you need to have to keep 75- 80% accuracy doing Core?! I'm at the moment at 220% starting ease and all the time scoring 92- 95% accuracy doing the reviews. After clearing the studying phase I do after reviews I get 97% well answered on the deck in overall for a day.
Does one use 400% starting ease to get this kind of result..
Keep in mind that the 80% number isn't for all cards, it's only for mature cards. After the study phase, cards become "young" cards, and they are considered young if their interval is below 21 days, when they cross over that interval they become mature. This is explained in the Reviews section. And the type of cards is explained here.
RE: Core 2k/6k/10k speeds? - Sztermel - 2015-12-12
(2015-12-12, 5:01 am)ikore Wrote:(2015-12-12, 2:39 am)Sztermel Wrote: What kind of settings do you need to have to keep 75- 80% accuracy doing Core?! I'm at the moment at 220% starting ease and all the time scoring 92- 95% accuracy doing the reviews. After clearing the studying phase I do after reviews I get 97% well answered on the deck in overall for a day.
Does one use 400% starting ease to get this kind of result..
How long do you spend on a single review? It's easy to get those numbers if you fail instantly if you don't remember the word. If you give yourself 5-20 seconds per card will make it much easier to reach such high retention. I try to answer within 3-5 seconds the most, if I don't know it by then it means I don't know the word well enough. Just fail and move on. Eventually they will stick and you'll recognize the words instantly. This gives you more time to study as it allows you to review a much higher number of words in the same time.
Hey I must be using the first option. When I don't remember the word I try as hard as I can to recall it, just like I'm taking a test. I have read that this enforces the memory to make the word/ kanji (anything you review) stick into memory better.
Although there are not too many words like that, hopefully.
And yes, I meant mainly new cards as I don't have that much mature words yet. The ones that are mature for now are pretty easy - somewhere from the beggining of Core2k, so I have a good recall rate on them.
RE: Core 2k/6k/10k speeds? - Vempele - 2015-12-12
My lifetime retention and average review time (of all decks - barely any Core) by length of interval.
![[Image: 8T9LeOx.png]](http://i.imgur.com/8T9LeOx.png)
That drop in retention at 3 weeks: ouch.