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“的”の変遷 - eslang - 2015-12-02
Over at the Chinese and Hanzi sub-forum, there is an interesting discussion about "Is it worth it to learn traditional characters?" and the Japanese word の relating to the Chinese 的 and the written Cantonese (書面語) 既 as well as spoken Cantonese (口語) 嘅.
http://forum.koohii.com/thread-13383-post-229494.html#pid229494
eslang wrote:
Quote:Traditional characters [Hong Kong] like 唔 and 佢 in Cantonese are not in the deck.
Japanese characters (more or less, close to the Chinese Hanzi meaning) in this color shade.
不 @唔 [Cantonese] 不 (ふ) no; not (adverb) un*~~ / in*~~ / im*~~ (negative connotation)
是 @係 [Cantonese] 是 (ぜ) 1:right/agree with <a person> (此れ)2:this/these/such
他 @佢 [Cantonese] 彼 (かれ) he; him [pronoun]
的 @既 [Cantonese] ノ (の) ~'s (possessive particle) auxiliary
Taishi wrote:
Quote:About の, it is true that の can be written 之, but you can't say that の＝之, since 之 has some specific rules of usage. Also の can also be written 乃. I also believe some usages of の does not follow the connotations of any of the kanji it can be written with. And as eslang pointed out, 之 has meanings that are unrelated to の. Anyway the point I think you missed was that the word that most closely follows the usage of の in Japanese is 的 in Mandarin and 嘅 in Cantonese.Below are research studies done by 竹越美奈子 and hopefully, it can be of some help to others who wishes to gain a better understanding.
I'm sorry if anything I said is incorrect, as I do not speak Cantonese, and only speak from my own experience.
西洋人編纂資料と日本刊行資料による粤語語法の通時的研究
A Study of Early Cantonese Grammar in Western and Japanese Materials
https://kaken.nii.ac.jp/d/p/20520398/2010/8/ja.ja.html
古代文字資料館発行『KOTONOHA』第114号(2012年5月)
十九世紀の広東語(1)“的”
By 竹越美奈子
http://www.for.aichi-pu.ac.jp/museum/pdf8/minako114.pdf